[christiesplits]

That PPC number

https://twitter.com/x/status/1431020758931841026

 

[afransen]

Boy, I wonder what the Liberal war room is thinking these days. I wonder if they are still toasting themselves over the strategic genius of forcing an election when they could have governed for another year.

 

[Jonny5]

Boy, I wonder what the Liberal war room is thinking these days. I wonder if they are still toasting themselves over the strategic genius of forcing an election when they could have governed for another year.

I would expect they are fine with it still. Taking on the risk of losing it all to get a majority was probably worth it over governing for another year to likely produce nothing, and I don't see a different outcome if they waited.

As someone once said: Risk is part of the game if you want to sit in that chair.

EDIT: One thing I do see playing out now is the Liberals heavily going after Greens by playing the "better of two evils" card. I see Greens are still at about 6-7% in B.C.. The Liberals will want to get any of those votes they can in the competitive ridings, especially since B.C. has a lot of oddball three-way competitive ridings.

 

[Bjays92]

I would expect they are fine with it still. Taking on the risk of losing it all to get a majority was probably worth it over governing for another year to likely produce nothing, and I don't see a different outcome if they waited.

As someone once said: Risk is part of the game if you want to sit in that chair.

EDIT: One thing I do see playing out now is the Liberals heavily going after Greens by playing the "better of two evils" card. I see Greens are still at about 6-7% in B.C.. The Liberals will want to get any of those votes they can in the competitive ridings, especially since B.C. has a lot of oddball three-way competitive ridings.

The problem is playing the we're the lesser evil card in an election you called is a much harder sell. To say, look the boogeyman you should be scared and vote for us, begs the question as to why you would allow the boogeyman a chance to win in the first place.

 

[Richard White]

I would expect they are fine with it still. Taking on the risk of losing it all to get a majority was probably worth it over governing for another year to likely produce nothing, and I don't see a different outcome if they waited.

As someone once said: Risk is part of the game if you want to sit in that chair.

EDIT: One thing I do see playing out now is the Liberals heavily going after Greens by playing the "better of two evils" card. I see Greens are still at about 6-7% in B.C.. The Liberals will want to get any of those votes they can in the competitive ridings, especially since B.C. has a lot of oddball three-way competitive ridings.

Risk aside, there will be alot of people asking very uncomfortable questions about Justin's leadership if the liberals lose.

This election has alot of parallels to the 2006 election where it was anybody's game and the liberals ending up losing. In that election, the liberals hoped to recapture their majority (sound familiar) but lost the election leading to 8-ish years of Stephen Harper.

After that election, Paul Martin saw the writing on the wall and decided to resign rather than become the leader of the opposition. I wonder if Justin will do the same here if he loses.

 

[Admiral Beez]

Risk aside, there will be alot of people asking very uncomfortable questions about Justin's leadership if the liberals lose.

Without Justin though what is the Liberal Party? Remember the foggy days of Dion and Ignatieff.

I for one would vote for a thousand Justins before having to spend four years of listening to Freeland as PM. She's clearly the heir apparent. Though Freeland might be useful, Justin gains another minority and resigns, Freeland comes in and calls a snap election, and the LPC hits her with a glass cliff of public anger towards the Libs, and like Kim Campbell she takes the fall for the party, bringing forth a Conservative government, and allowing a renewal of the LPC, with Justin emerging from the ashes to take the reigns again in 2028 or so.

 

[Richard White]

Without Justin though what is the Liberal Party? Remember the foggy days of Dion and Ignatieff. I for one would vote for a thousand Justins before having to spend four years of listening to Freeland as PM. She's clearly the heir apparent.

That is true. The Liberals are nothing if not for carefully managed talking points.

The ONLY person who could really turn around the party if Justin were to leave is Mark Carney. He is respected across the spectrum and is liked by alot of Canadians.

You are right however, there is nobody in house that has the personality for the job. Most, if not all of the current slate of MPs are hiding behind talking points. They are nothing without a prepared script to read from.

 

[Richard White]

Has anyone else noticed that with just over 3 weeks away from the election there is no information on polling stations, advance or otherwise for pretty much anywhere?

I find it strange given that they said to check back after the 24th and time is running out for advance voting.

 

[Towered]

Without Justin though what is the Liberal Party? Remember the foggy days of Dion and Ignatieff.

I for one would vote for a thousand Justins before having to spend four years of listening to Freeland as PM. She's clearly the heir apparent. Though Freeland might be useful, Justin gains another minority and resigns, Freeland comes in and calls a snap election, and the LPC hits her with a glass cliff of public anger towards the Libs, and like Kim Campbell she takes the fall for the party, bringing forth a Conservative government, and allowing a renewal of the LPC, with Justin emerging from the ashes to take the reigns again in 2028 or so.

Sounds like TV movie on CBC.

 

[Admiral Beez]

Boy, I wonder what the Liberal war room is thinking these days. I wonder if they are still toasting themselves over the strategic genius of forcing an election when they could have governed for another year.

Someone in the room has probably asked, why did we call an election in the middle of a pandemic? And then been summarily tossed out by the yes men.

 

[Richard White]

Someone in the room has probably asked, why did we call an election in the middle of a pandemic? And then been summarily tossed out by the yes men.

I do think that the optics of calling an election while the nation is in crisis will hurt the liberals. They should have waited until this was all said and done before calling an election.

Work on your merits, not on the desire to win a majority and a majority you shall receive.

By forcing people into the polling booths, by forcing them to leave them homes to vote you are making alot of people uncomfortable. There are plenty of people in Canada who would rather not be leaving their homes, notably seniors who are the most dedicated voting block.

 

[Northern Light]

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For those not remembering, Ms. Brosseau was a very surprised winner in the Orange Crush election, a single mum, and bar tender at the time, who spoke relatively little French (lived in Ottawa) and was an NDP
Candidate in name only, until she won.

She ultimately earned a great deal of respect learning French and was considered an extremely popular legislator and MP, though still lost when the NDP imploded in Quebec in 2019.

Update:

 

[Jonny5]

I do think that the optics of calling an election while the nation is in crisis will hurt the liberals. They should have waited until this was all said and done before calling an election.

Work on your merits, not on the desire to win a majority and a majority you shall receive.

By forcing people into the polling booths, by forcing them to leave them homes to vote you are making alot of people uncomfortable. There are plenty of people in Canada who would rather not be leaving their homes, notably seniors who are the most dedicated voting block.

I have to think it's crossed their minds that the current situation will still be going on at least another year from now, and they've possibly got projections from experts in hand that say that.

Either way, you don't actually have to go to a polling booth as they are offering mail-in ballots to everyone on request this time. The only problem is you would need to find a post office box, which I recently noticed are difficult to find out on the street. I had always mailed things from the office building where I work, which had one of those old-school mail drop chutes, Now that I don't actually go in to the office, I guess I have to go to the post office since all those mail boxes on the street appear to be gone. A sign of the times, I guess.

 

[Richard White]

I have to think it's crossed their minds that the current situation will still be going on at least another year from now, and they've possibly got projections from experts in hand that say that.

Either way, you don't actually have to go to a polling booth. They are offering mail-in ballots to everyone on request this time. You only need to find a post office box which I recently noticed are actually difficult to find out on the street. I had always mailed things from the office building where I work which had one of those mail drop chutes. Now that I don't actually go in to the office, I guess I have to go to the post office since the mail boxes seem to all be gone.

Personally I do not trust physical mailboxes enough to put a ballot in them. I would rather bring it to Canada Post directly as it is marginally more secure.

 

[W. K. Lis]

Following the Conservative Party's climate change rejection platform...

Conservative leader rejects Canada's new emissions target, favours previous goal​

From link.

Conservative Leader Erin O’Toole is rejecting Canada’s new target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions in favour of a lower one first set by Stephen Harper.

It comes as Canada prepares to attend the United Nations Climate Change conference this fall, where countries are expected to commit more ways to tackle the issue.

In anticipation of the meeting, the Liberal government recently increased its targets for reducing greenhouse gas emissions to between 40% and 45% below 2005 levels by 2030, up from 30%.

The 30% goal was set by former Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper and was the commitment the country was held to under the 2015 Paris Agreement.

O’Toole says the Conservatives’ climate change plan “will meet the Paris objectives” of 30%, despite the United Nations specifying the agreement works by countries coming up with “increasingly ambitious climate action” every five years.

“In the 10 days after I launched our plan in April, [Trudeau] changed his targets three times with no plan,” O’Toole said at a campaign stop in Corner Brook, NL.

The Conservative leader touted his plan, which proposes charging a carbon price on fuel and putting more electric vehicles on the road, as one that strikes a balance between combating climate change and protecting jobs and economic growth.

“If people want to get the country working again, there’s only one option in this election: the Conservative party,” said O’Toole.

But Michael Bernstein, executive director of Clean Prosperity, which advocated for the party to adopt carbon pricing, said O’Toole’s planned cut of 30% “would be a step backwards” compared to the commitments made by other G7 allies.

“If O’Toole sticks to the 30% target he will be forced to revise the climate target that the current federal government has already submitted to the UN as part of the Paris treaty,” he wrote in a statement to The Canadian Press.

“This would be a violation of the Paris treaty and, while there’d be no legal impact, it would send the wrong signal to the rest of the world, including potential investors, about our commitment to climate action.”

Caroline Brouillette, a policy manager at Climate Action Network Canada, said in a statement that weakening Canada’s target submitted to the UN “would not only be a diplomatic disaster, but a failure to recognize that Canada should do its fair share of the global effort to limit global warming to 1.5C.”

“Raising ambition is at the heart of the Paris Agreement. Levelling down would violate its spirit,” she said.

Trudeau announced a higher emissions-reduction target for Canada earlier this year while attending a virtual climate summit convened by US President Joe Biden, who pledged to slash his country’s greenhouse gas pollution levels by 50 to 52%.

The Liberal government recently inked the new goal into legislation committing Canada to hit net-zero emissions by 2050. Parliament passed the bill before its summer break despite the Conservatives voting against it.

The government, however, has yet to detail how it plans to meet its strengthened goals.

O’Toole entered the 13th day of the campaign by making a swing along the East Coast, stopping first in western Newfoundland, where the party hopes to win its first seat on the island in years.

The last time Newfoundland and Labrador was home to a Conservative MP was in Harper’s final term.

During an announcement in Corner Brook, where O’Toole promised to increase EI benefits for sick workers, he sidestepped questions about whether he would uphold a $5.2 million deal Ottawa struck with the province ahead of the election call over the long-troubled Muskrat Falls hydroelectric project.

The leader later clarified that he would.

“A Conservative government under my leadership will honour the deal in place with the provincial government of Newfoundland and Labrador for the Muskrat Falls hydroelectric project,” O’Toole said in a statement afterwards.

“We will also create jobs and boost the economy in Newfoundland and Labrador by supporting the offshore industry – a sharp contrast with the other parties who have been clear they want to shut that industry down.”