An excellent example of what is going on in india is this construction of a big damn. They displaced poor farmers, of a minority group and did not give a rats ass about their wellbeing or survival. Who cares for those mofos is more or less the official policy. A woman activist tried to help them out and she was arrested!
Caste system and segregation exist and persist, in many countries regardless of there being an official thing that states equality. Equality on paper does not work out in reality.
Except there's widespread on ignorance on the interplay between caste and class. And while there might be some issues lingering, every Indian (and I am one) will tell you that they are rapidly disappearing. Kinda hard to ignore a marriage proposal from an untouchable when he's made a fortune as an IT professional. The lingering issues that are there, can be compared to the impact of segregation in the US. It caused poverty and social stratification, which will take some time to erase. But to suggest that Indians practice the caste system like they did even prior to independence is absolutely ludicrous and ignorant.
Like with the example of that chinatown article - which keithz owes us now - white man will come up with zoning or a whole host of stuff in order to abuse the one that is different, or as ed said calls, the oriental.
So your justification for excluding certain ethnic groups from increased immigration quotas is that it might offend the sensibilities of white people at home?
Show me where the majority of Canadians today support such bigotry. We all know that things were a lot different two generations ago. Heck, they would have been just as offended if you or I moved in. Canadians are different today. You fail to recognize that.
Even beyond that though, you have to yet to show anything backing up your thesis that we'd see race riots if non-white immigration increases.
lol, man, you have no idea how miserable eastern europe still is. Millions of eastern europeans fled eastern europe to the west when the doors opened. Millions. Estimates say up to 2 million polish alone. In Poland there was 20% unemployment until the eu opened its doors to their cheap labor. Heck, even small bulgaria lost a million people. Imagine that, one million people leaving such a small country... you really need to look into how miserable eastern europe is. What is it, a quarter of lithuania's or latvia's population left? To quote my lithuanian friend "everyone who can left chose to do so"...
Yet, remarkably they are not coming in droves to the Canadian embassy to apply for immigration. They may leave home, but by and large they prefer to stay within the EU then come across the pond. And even that pattern will diminish as Eastern Europe develops....something that's happening at a remarkable clip.
It's more so in Islam than in other religions.
Really? Do you even have close Muslim friends? You'd be surprised at how they assimilate. Most Muslims I know for example will drink. They just don't do it to excess and do it in public. Just because you don't know too many Muslims or understand their cultural dynamics when they migrate does not mean that what you assume to be true automatically is. That's the height of both your arrogance and ignorance.
At least the torah can be written and is written in english. There are those torahs that have english one one page and hebrew on the other.
How many Bar/Bat Mitzvahs you been to where they read the good book in English?
Islam however says no to english, this damn language of the infidels. It's arabic man, world rotates around mecca, remember? Pray five times a day and follow a certain life style that makes you incompatible where ever you go. Kinda like those puritans who fled Britain to settle in the US in the early years... only those sons of bitches were monsters, trying to convert everyone no matter what - the persecutors had to leave, and they called themselves the persecuted. Same thing with islam when they say "oh noes we need more tolerance" - no we don't, they do.
More ignorant crap. So now we should exclude people solely because they practice their religion? Are you going to send out the stazi next time my mom says the rosary on the subway ride to work?
Hm, what's a good thing to refer to go to in case you do not believe that the so called oppressed that came to america were actually oppressors... hmm... damn puritans... ah, I got it, look into the book Albion's Seed.
The way you quote books and book titles is proof enough that access to knowledge or an education can still leave one ignorant and as dumb as rocks.
Perogies suck! Damned ukies and other such slavs.
As for the serbs... perhaps soem cling together - but their numbers are small and they have assimilated very well.
Right. And that's why they cling together? And no it's not a few. It's virtually the entire Serbian community in the GTA. One of my best friends is Serbian. He often tells me, he's glad he left TO because it was getting hard for him to get out more and meet non-Serbs.
And its not just the Serbs. Watch how the Italians date, do business, etc. Even after generations, they will still prefer other Italians to anybody else, particularly non-whites. I have found it hilarious that there's so much in common between the mentality of Italians and Indians. Maybe that's why Sonia Gandhi is so popular in India!
Some 95% or more of them do not speak serbian when amongst one another.
I can pull some number out of my ass that says the majority of them do. But hey, you barely even visit the GTA annually, so you must know more than me.
Even at their own folklore they speak english. It's all totally into english. Hell, even with two parents speaking serbian at home it is more common than not to see the kids speaking english. Serbs have totally lost their culture and ways that it is more or less creepy.
So you find it creepy that Serbs have lost their culture but then condemn those who seek to preserve their culture? Interesting double standard you have there.
Well what happens when in mr immigration hype's scenario if we get 3 million chineese into etobicoke.
The same thing that happened when you got a million chinese into Scarborough, Richmond Hill and Markham. Nothing. The rest of us got better Chinese food. And Chinese people started getting authentic pizza from the family owned Italian pizza joints.
Suppose the stork just drops them there. I'll tell you what will happen - we will have to learn english to get jobs, just like how in the SW US people have to know spanish. It was not like that once, but times change. It can go to the extreme, when the minority become the majority and wants to break off to have their own country.
Yet that has not happened in Canada. Look at how many Chinese people there are in the BC or in the GTA. You don't need to know Mandarin or Cantonese to get a job. Might not hurt to know another language. But it's definitely not required.
As for the US...now your ignorance is really starting to show. You do know that Spanish has always been spoken in the Southwestern US right? They were after all part of Mexico until a century and a half ago. Complaining that people speak Spanish there is like moving to Quebec and complaining that not everybody speaks and does everything in English. Are you just not happy that the Americans didn't wipe out the existing Spanish speaking locals and suppress the culture and language?
And more than that, the US has no official language. So working in either English or Spanish is perfectly legal and acceptable.
I think the problem is being approached wrong. More should be done on fixing the problem from inside.
And more is being done in some parts. Quebec now has a fertility rate that's higher than replacement. But they've done it for cultural reasons...just like how they get to pick their own immigrants (which is what made the assertion that they lost because of immigrants particularly ridiculous).
However, nothing happens overnight. And given the trends, we'll need immigration for decades to come, even if we were to succeed at increasing the national fertility rate. So the conversation on immigration is entirely valid.
Please, the migration by then was not so big. Even in the US the racial stuff cooled down, mainly because migration stopped. Rapid change is bad, that's the point.
In Canada, I do not see humongous numbers flooding in.
Are you daft, ignorant, illiterate or a combination of all that? Did you not read or understand what I wrote?
Trudeau opened up to non-white immigration (it was a trickle prior to that) expanding on Pearson's policies on immigration (who had already shown an intention to open up to non-whites). Canada's population has gone up about 40% since the Trudeau era. And that was almost entirely due to immigration. And more specifically non-white immigration.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_of_Canada_by_year
Yet despite all that where's this social upheaval you talk about.
Can you even bother to Wiki some basics before spouting off crap?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Canada
It can not even be compared to the black migration up to big US cities.
Riiiight. People in Toronto and Vancouver would say different. Heck, Toronto was definitely a lot whiter 20 years ago when I was in grade school. Yet, remarkably, not a single race riot in that time.
And again your ignorance on context is appaling. You really don't think their history of slavery, segregation and racial tensions that persist to this day, had an impact on race relations in American urban areas? It's all the fault of the black people for moving in? Are you a fan of segregation? Could have had a lot less problems if the whites and the negros stayed apart right?
Given that Canada does not have the same history of acrimonious race relations, I fail to see what the American experience applies here.
What this topic calls for is these huge numbers of different people to just fall into canada.
No, what this topic calls for is an increase in immigration....involving immigrants that we would seek to integrate...as we do now. Nobody is advocating that we bring them by the planeloads just them off at Pearson. SiP never said he wanted Canada to be a dumping ground for the world.
But whatever, being the bigot that you are, you simply got alarmed that the coloureds were coming. Say, aren't you a little late for your white power meeting? They'll be far more receptive to your idea about how immigration from "white" countries is better.
There are few things that can destabilize the country more than that.
...if we weren't integrating immigrants. Canada's proven track record on that front says otherwise. Our Muslims haven't turned Toronto into Londonistan (and I say that as a former intelligence professional who was concerned about the issue). Heck, I don't think there's been a more co-operative Muslim community in the Western world. But then again, our intelligence services actually try and work with the ethnic communities. Nor have our various ethnicities ever seen tensions rise to the point of violence. You keep worrying that people won't get along. Where's the proof?
Canada works. It is the land that Lennon sang about.
