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This might feel like a cold shower for some:

And hot off the press is this report from Toronto’s Urbanation: New condo sales were down 29% in the first three months of this year from the end of 2012, and year/year have crashed 55%. There are now 18,845 unsold units sitting vacant, a record. Resale condo deals are 18% below year-ago levels, while listings have ballooned 25%.

1. Please share links. This info isn't public.
2. This comes as no surprise to me based on what I've heard from sources in the know regarding the falloff of investor demand from overseas commencing in Q3 2012.

TREB data is out....
Finally, new home sales are down 35% for the first 3 months of the year (compared to 2012). Note that new home sales are typically 1/3rd of resales (ie. the market is 75% resale, 25% new homes)
http://www.realnet.ca/march-q1-2013-gta-new-homes/

I presume Recharts (who promised he was leaving btw!) is quoting Urbanation.ca which is for subscribers only? Its data is for the Toronto CMA.

However Realnet posts data showing new construction GTA "high rise" sales down 24% Q1/13 vs Q1/12. That is the same data/source as quoted by Interested in his post above. There is a small difference in the CMA vs GTA (the former is about 10% lower in population). But I don't think that is enough to explain the difference between Realnet's 24% decrease in new condo vs Recharts quote of a 55% decrease

I don't know the source of the disconnect in the data. But I'm sure we'll soon have a snide, obnoxious self-important post from Recharts to educate us.
 
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Toronto new condo sales slump 55 per cent in first quarter
Toronto condo sales plummeted in the first three months of 2013 as developers held back on new launches amid growing inventory.
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Republish Toronto’s condo boom took a big breather in the first quarter of this year.

Sales plummeted by 55 per cent in the first three months of 2013 over the same period last year as developers held back on new project launches and took a wait-and-see approach in the face of a softening market and a climbing inventory of condos for sale.

A total of 2,728 new units were sold to the end of March, down 29 per cent just from the final three months of 2012. That’s less than half the 6,070 units sold in the first quarter of 2012, when the condo market was starting to come down from a record year of sales — 28,190 units—in 2011.

“Developers have been very disciplined. There were barely any new project openings and they are being very selective in what they do launch,” says Shaun Hildebrand, senior vice-president of Urbanation, a condo market research firm which released its state-of-the-market report Monday.

New project launches so far this year are the lowest since the fall of 2009 in the wake of the Great Recession.

“Given the sales numbers we saw in 2011 and up until the early part of 2012, which were on fire, that type of momentum had to give,” said Hildebrand. “The rebalancing now taking place is beneficial for the longer term stability of the market.”

While most of those 2,728 new units — some 79 per cent — already have buyers, the inventory of unsold units in new projects climbed to 18,845 in the first quarter, a 21-per-cent jump over a year ago, Hildebrand notes.

Most of those unsold units, about 64 per cent, are in buildings still in the pre-construction sales phase, meaning they have yet to be built.

Price gains for new condos, which have averaged 6.4 per cent annually over the past decade, have slipped significantly. The average index price of a new unit was up just 2.5 per cent in the first quarter, year over year, to $533 per square foot. That’s the same average price per square foot as that for resale condos, says Urbanation.

But the market has avoided, so far at least, the major collapse in prices that many housing watchers had been anticipating since last summer, when the market began softening in the face of the euro crisis and the tightened mortgage lending rules imposed by Ottawa, which forced many first-time buyers to the sidelines.

The big fear was that panicked investors, who are believed to account for at least 30 per cent of new condo purchases, especially in Toronto’s core, would flood the already shaky market.

Instead most seem to be renting their units out. So far they’ve been able to command hefty rents, especially from the growing number of young professionals keen to live downtown. But Hildebrand says those rents are likely to flatten out over the next couple of years — along with a levelling out of new condo prices — as more new units come on stream to compete for tenants’ dollars.

On paper, occupancy is scheduled for some 26,500 new condo units across the GTA this year. But the actual number is likely to be closer to 18,000 as project completions get pushed into 2014 or beyond owing to a shortage of construction crews, an ongoing bottleneck that has had an unintended effect of keeping a lid on supply.

“Projects that are well priced and located are still doing very well,” Hildebrand says, noting some “highly anticipated projects” being launched in the next few months could see sales improve by year-end.

It should be clearer by the end of May how sales of projects launched so far this year are doing, but early indications are that first-time buyers are back looking, especially within the 416 boundaries, says Jim Ritchie, vice-president of Tridel.

Tridel hopes to start construction late this year on its Ten York project, where it has already sold 620 of the building’s 694 units.

Developers are now looking to hopeful signs on the resale condo front, says Hildebrand. Sales in that sector were up 9 per cent in the first three months of 2013 over the final quarter of 2012. Those gains followed months of double-digit declines and may be the first real indicator that consumer confidence is picking up.

Resale prices, however, didn’t fare as well. They slipped 0.5 per cent in the first quarter of 2013 over the last quarter of 2012 to $533 per square foot. A surge in listings of more than 25 per cent accounts for much of that, according to Urbanation.
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Recharts: The data you have been posting from Urbanation was at the time only available to subscribers. It is proprietary and posting as you did is a direct violation of a subscriber agreement. It is fine to speak of a press release when it comes out; however, this was well past an ethical line.

Pauline Lierman, Director of Market Research, Urbanation Inc.
 
I wonder if perhaps Urbanation's 55% YOY Q1 decrease refers to pre-sales, whereas Realnet's 24% decrease refers to final sales?
 
Recharts: The data you have been posting from Urbanation was at the time only available to subscribers. It is proprietary and posting as you did is a direct violation of a subscriber agreement. It is fine to speak of a press release when it comes out; however, this was well past an ethical line.

Pauline Lierman, Director of Market Research, Urbanation Inc.

I have no contract with you and I have never been in possession of your document.
This goes two ways. You accusing me of crossing ethical lines makes your own behavior unethical.
Do your own research, see if your data has become publicly available elsewhere before I posted that here.
 
I have no contract with you and I have never been in possession of your document.
This goes two ways. You accusing me of crossing ethical lines makes your own behavior unethical.
Do your own research, see if your data has become publicly available elsewhere before I posted that here.

Why don't you just tell them where you found that data? Wouldn't that be easier and more productive than starting another online squabble?
 
The source of that data is a "Colin2009" commentor on a 3 May 2013 Toronto Star real estate article, as I just posted. Judging by the time the article came out and huge number of nearly instant comments the Star tends to get, I'm 99% certain this commentor had the data first.
 
The source of that data is a "Colin2009" commentor on a 3 May 2013 Toronto Star real estate article, as I just posted. Judging by the time the article came out and huge number of nearly instant comments the Star tends to get, I'm 99% certain this commentor had the data first.

UD, sure, I saw your prior post :Dand checked the Star comments. But my question for Recharts is why he didn't just say that himself? My point being, let's tone down the unnecessary flame wars, and focus on fact and analysis based discussions
 
UD, sure, I saw your prior post :Dand checked the Star comments. But my question for Recharts is why he didn't just say that himself? My point being, let's tone down the unnecessary flame wars, and focus on fact and analysis based discussions

So far only the old users active here seem to be the only origin of flame wars.
You seem preoccupied with sources and not with what the data says.
How I got that data is not your concern.

I did not disclose the source on purpose just to avoid any flame wars that might start here.
It looks like no matter what I do you are determined to attack the person not to discuss the content.
Most probably someone here informed Urbanation with the clear intent to silent me.
I will let you guess who that person can be. Not sure what is his/her beef with me but I am not going to waste my time with trying to understand that.
The result was that Urbanation started accusing me for being unethical.

Based on the above I am asking you: who has to tone down and who has to focus on the discussion?
 
Without confirming any of the above I expect Urbanation to have some "ethics" and post a similar messages wherever they see they see their report quoted directly. They should be fair and make the same "legitimate" comments as they did in my case.
They can use the excellent volunteer detective work done by ISYM and continue to target people who read the media and make comments on their account as they did on my account. Apparently ISYM is a person you can count on, a big shot "Realtour", as someone here said.

You can trust her

[video=youtube;F1ILPl5FQaM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ILPl5FQaM[/video]
 

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