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Further evidence that the pre con market is weak.

The average detached home price in the Toronto 416 was over $1 million, for the period April 1-14. Semi-detached was almost $700000.

http://www.torontorealestateboard.c...market_updates/news2014/nr_mid_month_0414.htm

This is likely an anomaly, since it's a 19.2% increase yoy for detached - spring rush after a horrible winter, but nonetheless it's pretty remarkable. For semi-detached, it was a 15.8% yoy increase.

Meanwhile, condos went up only 0.2% yoy. Not boding too well for condos. Who's betting for a small pullback in condo pricing in the second half of 2014?
 
Those who sat on sidelines lose again, even with condos why pay the rent in hopes of timing the market year over year you are out the rent money, condos at the very least were flat when everyone last year was calling for a 20 pt drop.

Personally, I have a lot invested in the pre con condo market, whenever I promote a site I also buy multiple units within the site I sell. When I look at the above Eug, I don't think we will see the drop but I do take an optimistic approach and say that the gap from condo to semi and freehold is getting too wide, not only is the condo lifestyle highly sought after but now buyers may not have a choice but to own a condo or own nothing at all. I was talking to a couple last week that wanted a freehold home in Maple, but upon analysis didn't know that for that home the range is $750000 to $800000, they were shocked and then said how about a condo George, I said well for a 2 bed it will be approx. half of that.

So my guess would be that the semi and freehold market is top heavy or will remain stagnant and just maybe the condo market will fill the gap and outperform.

Hey, CN, you are right I don't waste my time on promoting towers that will never be built, we seen a lot of this in 2009 when B rated builders were cancelling their sites due to lack of sales or proposed never getting approved. Its not happening as much today but I sell select sites and that is in top 6 items I look at before I promote. thxs.
 
Personally, I have a lot invested in the pre con condo market, whenever I promote a site I also buy multiple units within the site I sell. When I look at the above Eug, I don't think we will see the drop but I do take an optimistic approach and say that the gap from condo to semi and freehold is getting too wide, not only is the condo lifestyle highly sought after but now buyers may not have a choice but to own a condo or own nothing at all. I was talking to a couple last week that wanted a freehold home in Maple, but upon analysis didn't know that for that home the range is $750000 to $800000, they were shocked and then said how about a condo George, I said well for a 2 bed it will be approx. half of that.

Yes, a 2 bedroom condo is half the price and half the size as well.
 
Those who sat on sidelines lose again, even with condos why pay the rent in hopes of timing the market year over year you are out the rent money, condos at the very least were flat when everyone last year was calling for a 20 pt drop.

Personally, I have a lot invested in the pre con condo market, whenever I promote a site I also buy multiple units within the site I sell.

Of course you do. The developers insist on it in order for you to work with them.

Get real though George- new condo prices dropped 2% in 2013 from 2012 all while the Dow climbed 26%. If you're advocating that people invest in assets that are showing a declining trend then you better find somewhere to hide when these units are completed and worth substantially less and the owners are saddled with high mortgage payments they can't sustain through rent.
 
"You cannot expect to purchase a pre-construction condo in 2014, hold it until it’s finished, and then flip it for a profit."

"Every week, I get a phone call from somebody who is in occupancy, bleeding money each month, or somebody who just closed on a condo and now wants to sell – while forty other speculators in the building try the same.

I was sickened to see an article in a major Toronto newspaper a few weeks back with “experts” in “investing” in pre-construction condos.
" - Gee, I wonder who those "experts" were?

Source: http://www.torontorealtyblog.com/archives/game-of-thro-wing-your-money-away/10931
 
People,

It is very simple, If it doesn't cash flow with 20% down after all expenses including mortgage payments with a standard 25 year amortization, condo fees, and property taxes, don't touch it. There is way more money to be made elsewhere.
 
Can a real estate agent shine some light on the tactics of a listing that I have been following.

February 25th, a house went up for sale with the price tag of $899,000.

April 11th, the same house had a price reduction of $150,000 - the price was $749,000.

April 22nd, the house is now listed at $849,000.

What is the logic in that? And who is ultimately driving these price fluctuations - the realtor, the seller or both?

And what ever happened to "market value"? Is that completely out the window nowadays?
 
There are many factors to consider location, condition, timing the spring market etc but let me add my 2 cts here.

Feb 25 - the house listed was overpriced and didn't sell for 1.5 mths.

Apr 11 - the agent/seller drastically reduced in hopes of multiple offers and betting on buyer emotion

Apr 22 - the above strategy didn't materialize or at least to the price point of current listing $849,900, new strategy drop the overpriced $899,900 by $50,000 and don't hold offers in hopes of multi bid.

I know it looks like its all over the map. lol
 
Canadian, U.S. housing markets defy expectations, price gap hits record

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Note: The dollar values for Canada and the US are in their respective currencies.
 


Canadian, U.S. housing markets defy expectations, price gap hits record


TARA PERKINS - REAL ESTATE REPORTER
Published Wednesday, Apr. 23 2014, 10:00 AM EDT
Last updated Wednesday, Apr. 23 2014, 2:46 PM EDT

The Globe’s new Real Estate Beat offers news and analysis on the Canadian housing market from real estate reporter, Tara Perkins, and others. Read more on The Globe’s housing page and follow Tara on Twitter @TaraPerkins.




The gap between the average price of a home in Canada and the United States widened to a record level in the first quarter of this year, contrary to what economists would have expected, according to Bank of Montreal’s chief economist Doug Porter.

Average Canadian home prices were 66 per cent above average U.S. prices during the first three months of this year, he says. (Note: these are prices for existing houses and condos, not those that are newly constructed).


“The main takeaway is that, contrary to all expectations, the Canadian housing market has just kept on rolling in 2014 even as the U.S. housing market has paused for breath (after a steep climb out of the dungeon),” he writes in a research note. “Put it this way, how many pundits a year ago were calling for Canadian home prices to rise faster than their U.S. counterparts in any single measure?”

This time last year it was far from clear when and if the Canadian housing market would emerge from the sales slump that ensued after former Finance Minister Jim Flaherty tightened the country’s mortgage insurance rules. It was a different story in the U.S.: a Dow Jones News Service article from April 2013 reported that home prices across the nation were “rising at the fastest rate in seven years, with some communities seeing double-digit gains, as buyers are returning to a market where the number of properties for sale is in short supply.”

It's worth noting that there are many problems with comparing average Canadian home prices to average U.S. home prices, not the least of which is that average prices themselves can be highly misleading. Mr. Porter is aware that it’s not an apples-to-apples comparison.

“Some may quibble that this doesn’t take the exchange rate into account, but even adjusting for the Canadian dollar leaves a 50 per cent price gap,” he writes. “Some may also quibble that the reported average price is not the most indicative of underlying trends, which is probably besides the point.”

Many economists were surprised by the strength that Canadian home prices showed in the face of the steep sales drop that began in the summer of 2012. And they're surprised again now that the slump in sales over the cold winter months hasn’t had more of an impact on prices.

Will Dunning, who has his own housing research business and is also chief economist of the Canadian Association of Accredited Mortgage Professionals, tells me that he thinks home prices have turned.

Using data from the Canadian Real Estate Association, he says that sales of existing homes rose last summer and peaked in the August-September period. “There has been a slight rise during the past two months, but I don’t see this as meaningful,” he adds.

“Similarly, the sales-to-new-listings ratio rose, but has fallen back,” he says. “The rise should have meant that price growth accelerated; the recent drop in the ratio should be causing a deceleration of price growth.”

He then turns to the Teranet-National Bank home price index, which shows a very gradual increase in prices over the last while. (Averages can be distorted by changes in the types or locations of homes that are selling, for instance if a large number of sales are occurring in a pricey part of Vancouver, and the home price index seeks to account for that).

Mr. Dunning says that if you take the price index and seasonally adjust it, it shows a sharp pick-up in price growth around the time he would have expected it to have occurred, and “the last data point hints that on a seasonally-adjusted basis, the period of rapid growth has ended – when it should have.”
 
There are many factors to consider location, condition, timing the spring market etc but let me add my 2 cts here.

Feb 25 - the house listed was overpriced and didn't sell for 1.5 mths.

Apr 11 - the agent/seller drastically reduced in hopes of multiple offers and betting on buyer emotion

Apr 22 - the above strategy didn't materialize or at least to the price point of current listing $849,900, new strategy drop the overpriced $899,900 by $50,000 and don't hold offers in hopes of multi bid.

I know it looks like its all over the map. lol

Thank you for taking the time to respond, George.

Lately it seems there are more and more listings popping up on MLS. I know there was mention of a shortage of listings for detached homes, however the past week I have noticed a steady stream of new listings in my area. Not sure if that means anything :).
 

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