Thread for the proposal at 1900 Marda Loop. The height isn't official as there is no DP, so more as a placeholder thread for discussion using the numbers specified by the maximum height in the land use.
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FriendlyDrunks
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I could be wrong, but it sounds like 1900 Marda Loop is back in play.
globalnews.ca
Proposed Marda Loop development is a ‘tipping point’: residents - Calgary | Globalnews.ca
The rezoning proposal would make way for a six-storey, 120-unit residential building with ground-floor commercial space along 33 Avenue S.W.
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CalgaryTiger
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Here's hoping it is a tipping point. If this can't go along 33rd then we're not building the type of city we need to build.
Mountain Man
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I'd love to see the 33Ave corridor extend all the way to 14St!
ByeByeBaby
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From the Herald article:
It's impressive that the traffic flow is simultaneously too slow and too fast according to the same person, who is simultaneously opposed to Sarina's new mixed use multifamily developments in the area, and the beneficiary of living in Sarina's new mixed-use multifamily development in the area. Is there a NIMBY hall of fame?
It's impressive that the traffic flow is simultaneously too slow and too fast according to the same person, who is simultaneously opposed to Sarina's new mixed use multifamily developments in the area, and the beneficiary of living in Sarina's new mixed-use multifamily development in the area. Is there a NIMBY hall of fame?
JonnyCanuck
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Yes, a very confusing and unconvincing argument. Why would The Herald even bother publishing the comment?
Mountain Man
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I think she means that pedestrians are always waiting at those lights, that's how I read it anyway.
CBBarnett
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It's not actually clear that this person was against the development, seems to me like they just grabbed someone exiting the door of an existing apartment building and asked them what's Marda Loop's problems are - then inferred those problems are worsened by the development via the rest of the article. Pretty standard traffic, development, neighbourhood concerns article and pretty sloppy argument structure as expected.
Also - most of Marda Loops problems with traffic and safety are addressed through streetscape improvements planned for the near future. A single development of this scale won't make a difference either way on traffic and safety, whether it happens or not.
Also x 2 - why would the community be opposed to more retail? Marda Loop's most unique asset is a emerging walkable retail street. To restrict that doesn't make sense.
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CalgaryTiger
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To quote from the article:
Parker Smith, who lives near the site, said there are several concerns with the proposal, including its size.
“We are adjacent to two-storey properties, so the transition isn’t sensitive and the size of it is so out of scope,” she said.
“Many community members are very amenable to a lot lower height — ideally no commercial space,” Parker Smith told Global News.
How is this out of context (which is what I think they meant by "out of scope")? Look at the image in the article that was right below these quotes:
It has small single-family homes on one side of it. The other three sides are a commercial building across 19th, another multi-family, commercial building across 33rd and a bank and multiple commercial buildings kitty-corner to this. On the other side are three duplex townhomes. So, sure, it's not a collection of townhomes, which is exactly what these 200 people want but this would be a really bad spot for townhomes, BECAUSE IT'S ADJACENT TO A COMMERCIAL STRIP!
Other concerns for residents in the area are the neighbourhood’s road infrastructure, and the potential impact of the proposed development on traffic and parking around the site.
Just wait until these people see the Main Street project (which goal is to actually not make 33rd a Main Street but to make it a destination).
Parker Smith, who lives near the site, said there are several concerns with the proposal, including its size.
“We are adjacent to two-storey properties, so the transition isn’t sensitive and the size of it is so out of scope,” she said.
“Many community members are very amenable to a lot lower height — ideally no commercial space,” Parker Smith told Global News.
How is this out of context (which is what I think they meant by "out of scope")? Look at the image in the article that was right below these quotes:
It has small single-family homes on one side of it. The other three sides are a commercial building across 19th, another multi-family, commercial building across 33rd and a bank and multiple commercial buildings kitty-corner to this. On the other side are three duplex townhomes. So, sure, it's not a collection of townhomes, which is exactly what these 200 people want but this would be a really bad spot for townhomes, BECAUSE IT'S ADJACENT TO A COMMERCIAL STRIP!
Other concerns for residents in the area are the neighbourhood’s road infrastructure, and the potential impact of the proposed development on traffic and parking around the site.
Just wait until these people see the Main Street project (which goal is to actually not make 33rd a Main Street but to make it a destination).
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CT (Chinese_T)
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I could be wrong, but it sounds like 1900 Marda Loop is back in play.
Proposed Marda Loop development is a ‘tipping point’: residents - Calgary | Globalnews.ca
The rezoning proposal would make way for a six-storey, 120-unit residential building with ground-floor commercial space along 33 Avenue S.W.
The forum for this site doesn't seem to be working.
Oh no, a multi-storey building! Great heavens, what a travesty! Bring out the pitchforks, people!
adamyyc
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The traffic, parking, and pedestrian safety are legitimate concerns, but only if your vision for Marda Loop is more of the same. The community is currently in a Jekyll-Hyde state where it’s part traffic thoroughfare and part walkable pedestrian oriented community.
Main Streets is a pretty clear indication that the City is striving towards the latter. Of course the City could have made that more clear by approving the aggressive land use changes they originally proposed along the entire 33/34 corridor rather than bowing to pressure and approving a watered-down version of it. Maintaining the status quo just means that landowners/residents continue to argue that these developments don’t align with current zoning and adjacent land uses.
Main Streets is a pretty clear indication that the City is striving towards the latter. Of course the City could have made that more clear by approving the aggressive land use changes they originally proposed along the entire 33/34 corridor rather than bowing to pressure and approving a watered-down version of it. Maintaining the status quo just means that landowners/residents continue to argue that these developments don’t align with current zoning and adjacent land uses.
And top it all off with Crowchild access being shut down
CalgaryTiger
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It's very frustrating as an area resident that I will have to continue to hear about the fights over projects like this when there could be a clearly understood land use change along what can be a really exciting urban destination. Instead they're missing the true opportunity to hold developers accountable to the quality of development along 33rd. Sarina has done some nice ones like COCO and Avenue 33, we'll see about Hudson... Least its a flat-ish lot, their latest (Harrison) was a real faceplant for street level integration, that's where the fight should be.
It is an ironic statement regarding the traffic being both too slow and too fast, but I think I understand what they are trying to get across. When it's not rush hour, 33rd becomes a freeway, with cars ripping up and down the avenue, and when it's rush hour nothing moves. Contrary to what they believe, very little of this is related to the development along 33rd ave, it's just drivers not living in Marda Loop cutting through the area to/from Crowchild. As someone mentioned earlier, the mainstreets program will help it somewhat, but with Crowchild access, it'll always be a problem.
adamyyc
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My hope is that the Main Streets improvements will cause drivers to use alternate routes. 50, Flanders, and 26 may prove to be better options for those who live on the periphery of the community but don’t need to pass through the BIA, once streets are narrowed, traffic calming measures are implemented, and traffic/pedestrian crossing signals are installed.