darwink
Senior Member
where is the ridership by station from?
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Ramsayite
Active Member
UCP shills and apologists out in full force trying to turn a nuanced and complex inner city route into a completely different project.
Commuter rail is great, The province should build a commuter rail line up nose Creek valley. It could have two or three stops in the city and then continue to balzac and Airdrie
That should not be the green line.
Commuter rail is great, The province should build a commuter rail line up nose Creek valley. It could have two or three stops in the city and then continue to balzac and Airdrie
That should not be the green line.
Beltline_B
Senior Member
Crowchild itself doesn’t have a walkable atmosphere, but there is a lot within walking distances from the stations. A university, 3 shopping nodes and thousands of people, and they were already there before the line was built. There’s nothing along the Nose Creek route until you get out to Country hills.
Before University Station we also have SAIT, North Hill mall, and Sunnyside, and a stadium.
The Red Line south is within walking distance of two large malls and 3 other shopping nodes, and within walking distance of thousands of people and several office buildings.
The Blue line NE passes by the zoo, two good sized malls, 3 shopping nodes and some office buildings, and thousands of people who are within walking distance.
The Blue Line SW passes by a mall and a couple of shopping nodes, and thousands of people within walking distance.
The Green line north doesn’t hit any of those things until Deerfoot City, and even then it’s poor proximity. Then another long stretch through nothing until it reaches Country Hills. Almost everyone using the Nose Creek will have to drive to the station, and new feeder bus routes that don’t exist today will need to created.
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Beltline_B
Senior Member
That’s two years after it opened though. Not exactly enough time to create a TOD right? Since that time some new developments have sprung up around Shaganappi point, Same with Westbrook which will have higher numbers now.
Also there’s a golf course on the north side of Shag Point and thus no catchment, which illustrates exactly why you’d want a line to be built where there are people.
Regarding Centre street, it already has a high number of riders without the park and rides. As developments build near the centre street stations ridership will increase even more. There’s no downside to centre street other than cost.
Yeah it’ll cost more, but sometimes better costs more.
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To be clear, the route isn't 100% just following the existing tracks along Nose Creek. It diverges from Nose Creek south of 96 Ave and then continues up the preserved NCLRT right of way along Harvest Hills Blvd.
See page 27 of https://www.calgarytransit.com/cont...h_central_calgary_transit_corridor_review.pdf
Tothewest
Active Member
the west LRT "one year review"
Nothing remotely close to a TOD has happened on the West LRT in 12 years, literally nothing. And that's with VAST land at Westbrook. Where are you building TOD's on Centre St? The land is already dense and developed, which is the opposite of what you start with for TOD's
Beltline_B
Senior Member
Sorry I meant 96th. I get it mixed up with Country Hills. Lol
Once it hits that area things pick up, but until then it’s a train that’s disconnected from any kind of urban fabric.
darwink
Senior Member
The land at Westbrook had land economics problems. After the city recent city purchase, it will likely now be subdivided and the city will try to sell it for a cost recovery price, and the lots will fail to sell because the price is too high.
Beltline_B
Senior Member
Development near the west LRT stations has been slow to get going but it is happening right now as we speak.
TODs along Centre street would be done the way they are supposed to be done. A collection of small to medium sized buildings scattered in proximity to the stations, like we’ve seen in Sunnyside.
You can have a cluster of towers near a station and that works too, but I vastly prefer the Sunnyside model.
BKha
Active Member
There is development happening near three of the stations right now. Westbrook’s debacle isn’t due to demand, it’s due to the land being sold by one developer who did nothing.
Shaganappi Point has had:
- The Giordano, 73 units
- A new building currently under construction, 60 units
- Crown Park, 156 units
- West 33, 149 units, under construction
- The Vibe, 102 units, under construction
BKha
Active Member
My preference too.
accord1999
Active Member
It would be possible, one option that was looked at was elevated in DT to bridge and relatively shallow tunnel under Centre Street. It shouldn't be too expensive given the depth (estimated in 2015 at $800M vs $1.3B for full tunnel).
However, it's hard to imagine that anything will change the current orientation of the Green Line away from the SE direction. And in a new period of being more cost conscious, that they upgrade those parts that were already downgraded.
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accord1999
Active Member
Or maybe it's just transit and transportation enthusiasts discussing how to fix a project with a $13B appetite but currently only a $6B budget?
It also shouldn't just be the downtown and SE.
I find it quite funny that there can be years where there is not a single update (or even peep) about the NC LRT but once some public figure talks about something to bring rail to the North, these Green Line supporter get angry about how dare anybody tries to change the beautiful and important Centre Street Alignment (that probably hasn't seen any planning work or land acquisition in more than 5 years). Everyone has to respect the work done, except the Green Line which can change, downgrade or cut any part of the line it wants.
So Smith and Rempel's ideas may be not the "Best", but at least they're talking about the North.
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Tothewest
Active Member
For an entire LRT line, those are a drop in the bucket for ridership. Below is a true TOD...and the other is what we actually got at Shag Point. Replacing 2-4 story developments with 3-4 story developments scattered on Centre St is not going to increase ridership, you need open space that needed LRT to come to develop. Sunnyside isn't a comparable to Centre St, it just isnt. It's comparable for the Ramsay/Inglewood station...not Centre Street line