[Oddball]

How would that work in the case of the Flames organization? Do the Flames have a management contract for the Saddledome? Becuase they aren't the arena's owners.

 

[darwink]

How would that work in the case of the Flames organization? Do the Flames have a management contract for the Saddledome? Becuase They're aren't the arena's owners.

They have a headlease. They enjoy almost all the benefits of ownership.

 

[Always_Biking]

Does anyone know what kind of revenue arena owners would get from a concert? I'm only guessing here, but suppose even $30 per person was taken out of each ticket for a concert of 18,000, that would behalf a million dollars. It might be much less than that, but 30 concerts a year could be quite large amount of revenue over a 20 year period.

This goes back a ways but IIRC the venue owners would typically get ~15% of the gate. With ticket prices the way they are today $30 per person average, might not be far off. Of course, we're talking Taylor Swift, Madonna, Elton john, etc... Acts that charge high prices for tickets.

 

[BKha]

I don't have figures for other arenas but I know Air Canada Centre was around 750K in concert attendance alone last year. Not including other events such as UFC, Ice Capades, etc....
If Calgary could do say 300K in event attendance, and garner 30 bucks per head, that would be 9 Million per year. That would go a long ways over 20 years. Even if the venue garnered 15 bucks a head it's still pretty decent.

 

[Always_Biking]

I think Calgary and Edmonton were around 300K for concerts a few years back when concerts were still coming to Calgary.

 

[darwink]

2016 worldwide ticket sales (All figures are for tickets sold worldwide as reported to POLLSTAR for shows played between 1/1/16 and 12/31/16):

Toronto: 702,516 Air Canada Centre

Montreal: 571,770 Bell Centre

Vancouver: 368,129 Rogers Arena, 95,726 Abbotsford Centre

Greater Toronto: 331,004 Casino Rama Entertainment Centre, 145,040 FirstOntario Centre (Hamilton), 62,782 Tribute Communities Centre (Oshawa)

Edmonton: 112,829 Rogers Place, 202,893 Rexall Place

Quebec City: 223,032 Centre Vidéotron

Ottawa: 197,576 Canadian Tire Centre

London: 176,290 Budweiser Gardens

Winnipeg: 153,872 MTS Centre

Calgary: 138,476 Scotiabank Saddledome (2014: 210,727 2012: 122,110)

Saskatoon: 91,716 SaskTel Centre

Kingston: 66,343 Rogers K-Rock Centre

 

[Oddball]

This must be for concert/event tickets right? Because the Flames alone would have had (18,728 x 41 =) 767,848 over the course of this season. Naturally a good chunk of this season is in 2017, but last year's average attendance figure was even higher at 19,146. The Hitmen also averaged 7,599 through 36 home games for (7,599 x 36 =) 273,564. Their average attendance was also higher in the 2015-16 season at 8,217. So that's over a million just for hockey. They here's probably a few tens of thousands more for lacross.

I don't know if any teams call arenas like the O2 arena permenant home?

It certainly does illustrate that Calgary hasn't been attracting concerts though.

 

[Beltline_B]

Exactly. The Flames, Hitmen and Roughnecks can still use the dome, its concerts that are a problem, and I believe it's one of the main driving forces for a new arena.
If Calgary had ~300k as seen on Edmonton's numbers, and their cut was $15 per head that's $4.5 million a year. Take that over 20 years, and....

 

[Surrealplaces]

Exactly. The Flames, Hitmen and Roughnecks can still use the dome, its concerts that are a problem, and I believe it's one of the main driving forces for a new arena.
If Calgary had ~300k as seen on Edmonton's numbers, and their cut was $15 per head that's $4.5 million a year. Take that over 20 years, and....

I wonder if their cut wouldn't even be higher than $15.00 a person. If the venue operator got around 15% as mentioned above, and the average concert ticket these days is probably , what...$200.00? Who knows, their cut could even be higher. Either way, I'm sure concert revenues figure into all of this.

 

[Surrealplaces]

2016 worldwide ticket sales (All figures are for tickets sold worldwide as reported to POLLSTAR for shows played between 1/1/16 and 12/31/16):


Calgary: 138,476 Scotiabank Saddledome (2014: 210,727 2012: 122,110)

Interesting. I'm trying to think back to when concerts started bypassing Calgary due to the Saddledome limitations, it must have been before 2012. I would imagine that Calgary would equal roughly what Edmonton gets...thought Edmonton could end up getting less due to some of that coming back down to Calgary.

 

[darwink]

Interesting. I'm trying to think back to when concerts started bypassing Calgary due to the Saddledome limitations, it must have been before 2012. I would imagine that Calgary would equal roughly what Edmonton gets...thought Edmonton could end up getting less due to some of that coming back down to Calgary.

In 2012 the Rexall number was 375,192.

“We had a strong year, we didn’t have as strong a year as Edmonton or Vancouver,” Raines said.

“Edmonton had double play with Metallica and Paul McCartney, they had a Cirque show.

“Unfortunately the Saddledome was not able to play those shows because of weight and rigging.

“Our building is limited in what it can support and what we can hang.”
http://www.calgarysun.com/2013/01/1...-worlds-busiest-stadiums--and-fifth-in-canada
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Here is more, found from a Business of Hockey Forum, going back to 2008:
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showpost.php?p=31877967

 

[darwink]

 

[Alex_YYC]

Those non-hockey numbers for the Saddledome are pretty bad, I can see why the owners want a new arena.

 

[Oddball]

They should say as much then. Quit shovelling this crap about Flames Fans being upset withe the Saddledome. It has it's flaws (and virtues) to be sure, but I"ve never once thought, "No, I'll pass on the hockey because the Dome isn't good enough."

 

[Surrealplaces]

Interesting when looking at Darwink's chart. The Saddledome has gone down, but others such as MTS, Rexall, and Scotiabank Place haven't fared much better.

I guess no matter how you look at it, those missed concerts are missed revenue, and Calgary has missed a lot of them lately.