BASE
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Looks like Bay Area Rapid Transit is happy with their fare gates in terms of fare collection and significantly reduced maintenance required from vandalism.
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The_Cat
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J_gordo
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Everyone keeps voting against it lol
Barnaby
Senior Member
The bleeding hearts wanting a service (business) to act as a homeless shelter are dragging us all down. Needs of the many must outweigh the needs of the few.
This is not an anti shelter post at all. (I actively work on transit in Edmonton, I want the best for customers/riders).
ADob
Active Member
I was under the impression that a study had been done and it was found to be unfeasible and unlikely to accomplish what it had set out to do, not based on ideological reasons. THB, I found that surprising.
I used to be one of those bleeding hearts but then moved downtown pre-covid, which pretty much stanched the bleeding. Shelters are shelters; transit is transit. And, as an ongoing and endless response to my performatively woke friends, booting people out and arresting them for open drug use and being general assholes is NOT criminalizing poverty; it's criminalizing criminal behaviours. But yeah, I'm aware I'm pretty much preaching to the choir here.
Kosy123
Senior Member
I saw someone on Reddit say that Seattle got similar results with increased security, but I'm unsure by how much.
Still doesn't solve the issue of transit entrances being the sketchy areas with bad sightlines in downtown tbh.
Barnaby
Senior Member
Seattle isn't a place I want Edmonton to emulate at all.
Utilizing security also opens up the door to accusations of profiling. Things should be black and white. Pay/tap or stay away.
Montreal does it and it works. Similar climate too.
degrandprix
Active Member
How do they keep people from loitering in the entranceways? Or does their fare zone go right to the exterior doors?
Barnaby
Senior Member
I think they'll just trespass people on the REM. The subway entrances in the central areas are all pretty well integrated into the underground city or institutions. Basically foot traffic and security is the answer to your question.
David A
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The stubborn refusal to deal with this by those who could improve the situation, is partly why things are bad here and why we continue to get stuff like this.
The_Cat
Senior Member
I just hope that security can be continued during the working days. I say continue playing the music in the LRT Stations.
Barnaby
Senior Member
I've said it before - I think this is a low budget CBC suburban hit piece. Still, the problem with ETS need to be aggressively dealt with.
Not a fan of the CBC or most journalists these days.
Why isn't this a hit piece on EPS or the CROWN? It's because CBC is beholden to the federal government.
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constance_chlore
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To be clear, people do loiter in the entranceways in Montreal, but they're harmless. I saw the same woman panhandling at my local metro station for years, but I never saw open drug use.
Pro.N
New Member
I take the LRT everyday, at all different hours mostly from Churchill, Central, MacEwan stations. I can confidently say that there has been massive improvement on safety/cleanliness in the past 2 years (obviously anecdotal), but fare gates would make a huge difference, especially now with ARC and tap-to-pay here. Also, come on ETS, get with the times!
I always find it funny when I hear EPS taking the lead on these safety discussions, because frankly, I hardly ever see them...maybe it's timing, maybe they're in other stations, but during the worst periods, they were basically invisible. I've seen transit riders take more action and de-escalate more often than I saw any EPS presence. I know numbers paint a different, almost unfair, picture, but we really need to counter this narrative that the LRT is some crime and homeless filled place. There's work to be done, but its also come a long way.
I always find it funny when I hear EPS taking the lead on these safety discussions, because frankly, I hardly ever see them...maybe it's timing, maybe they're in other stations, but during the worst periods, they were basically invisible. I've seen transit riders take more action and de-escalate more often than I saw any EPS presence. I know numbers paint a different, almost unfair, picture, but we really need to counter this narrative that the LRT is some crime and homeless filled place. There's work to be done, but its also come a long way.
yeggator
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The downtown station concourses need to be redesigned to convince me it’s worth the money to install fare gates. Consolidate all the small entrances to a station into one grand ingress/egress with good lighting and sight lines that funnels everyone towards the fare gates. Then we’re talking.