[Bradley Libralesso]

You must be a very sad person, Bradley. And very boring. I'll leave it at that, save for this:


http://www.blogto.com/city/2016/05/toronto_named_most_diverse_city_in_the_world/

https://theculturetrip.com/north-am...he-10-most-multicultural-cities-in-the-world/

For some odd reason, none of the sites naming Toronto as "one of the most diverse cities in the world" include 10,000 watts+ of audio on a patio.

Of course Toronto is the most diverse city, and it's amazing at that. There are a lot of pros to Toronto, which is why I called it the best city in North America. But I am not defining Cosmopolitan by diversity of people alone. I am also defining it by density of population, diversity of economy, public transportation, walkability, recreation, entertainment, food.

I'm quite happy, thanks for caring

 

[steveintoronto]

I am not defining Cosmopolitan by diversity of people alone. I am also defining it by density of population, diversity of economy, public transportation, walkability, recreation, entertainment, food.

cos·mo·pol·i·tan
ˌkäzməˈpälətn/
adjective
adjective: cosmopolitan

1. 1.
   familiar with and at ease in many different countries and cultures.
   "his knowledge of French, Italian, and Spanish made him genuinely cosmopolitan"
   synonyms: worldly, worldly-wise, well travelled, experienced, unprovincial, cultivated, cultured, sophisticated, suave, urbane, glamorous, fashionable, stylish;More
   informaljet-setting, cool, hip, styling/stylin'
   "a cosmopolitan audience"
   • including people from many different countries.
     "immigration transformed the city into a cosmopolitan metropolis"
     synonyms: multicultural, multiracial, international, worldwide, global
     "the student body has a cosmopolitan character"
   • having an exciting and glamorous character associated with travel and a mixture of cultures.
     "their designs became a byword for cosmopolitan chic"
   • (of a plant or animal) found all over the world.

 

[rbt]

The proof is this: no michillen starred restaurants.

That says nothing about the quality of the food in Canada. It says the subscribers to their magazine (mainly France based) do not travel in large numbers to Canada and the magazine has limited resources. The Eigensinn Farm a bit south of Collingwood would easily achieve 2 stars today if they chose to review this part of the world.

There are some very good restaurants in Canada, South America, Australia, and India despite Michelin not having the resources to review them.

 

[Freedom]

Cabana already has a sound system. How loud is it currently and what are they asking for?

 

[Bradley Libralesso]

cos·mo·pol·i·tan
ˌkäzməˈpälətn/
adjective
adjective: cosmopolitan

1. 1.
   familiar with and at ease in many different countries and cultures.
   "his knowledge of French, Italian, and Spanish made him genuinely cosmopolitan"
   synonyms: worldly, worldly-wise, well travelled, experienced, unprovincial, cultivated, cultured, sophisticated, suave, urbane, glamorous, fashionable, stylish;More
   informaljet-setting, cool, hip, styling/stylin'
   "a cosmopolitan audience"
   • including people from many different countries.
     "immigration transformed the city into a cosmopolitan metropolis"
     synonyms: multicultural, multiracial, international, worldwide, global
     "the student body has a cosmopolitan character"
   • having an exciting and glamorous character associated with travel and a mixture of cultures.
     "their designs became a byword for cosmopolitan chic"
   • (of a plant or animal) found all over the world.

You are correct I got cosmopolitan and metropolitan mixed up. Toronto is the most cosmopolitan city in the world.

 

[freshcutgrass]

The proof is this: no michillen starred restaurants.

You're pretty hilarious. Spend a lot of time eating in Michelin star restaurants do ya? he he

I thought you didn't like "boring"? And nothing says boring like a stuffy French Michelin starred restaurant.
Ever been to Geneva? That has to be the most boring major city on the planet. But they have Michelin star restaurants like we have Tim Hortons.

Of course there are no Michelin star restaurants....the Michelin Guide doesn't review Canadian restaurants.

Any more brilliant tidbits of worldly advice you can lay on us? ha ha

 

[steveintoronto]

Of course, we pale compared to Paris! Oh yes...Paris: (I blame the Michelin Guide myself) (No soup...errr...stars for you!)

Town Hall chiefs in Paris are to launch a series of measures aimed at quietening the din in and around the French capital, with almost 90 percent of the population concerned about the noise.
Paris, the capital of France, otherwise known as the City of Light.

But perhaps it's more appropriate to refer to it as the City of Noise?

With ambulances screaming through the streets, garbage trucks pummeling the roads left and right, and motorists always eager to honk their horns - Paris is not a city you would come to for a bit of peace and quiet.

Indeed, a recent study found that 86 percent of Parisians are concerned by the noise levels.

And it's not just in France. The European Environment Agency found that the continent's noise pollution is so significant that it contributes to 10,000 deaths a year - mostly through heart attacks.

The Council of Paris (Conseil de Paris) is now launching measures of its own in a bid to turn down the volume on Paris, where around 200,000 people are believed to be exposed to potentially hazardous levels of noise.

Among the measures, which are set to be implemented between 2015 and 2020, is a reduction in the speed limits in certain streets to 30 kilometres an hour, cutting back on the number of streets that trucks can use, and adding an "anti-noise coating" to the Paris ring road - the Périphérique.

The coating would reduce the noise by three decibels, the equivalent of 50 percent less traffic.

The move would also see an awareness campaign launched to teach drivers how to use their horns more sparingly, something which the city's motorists are notorious for.

The full list of 34 measures will be announced on Monday.

But some people in Paris believe the city could do with being a whole lot noisier. Especially at weekends.

In certain neighbourhoods in the city, notably the 11th, which is popular among students, local residents and Town Hall officials have been involved in regular clashes with bar owners over late night noise.

Authorities have been known to crack down hard and have forced many popular hangouts to close for lengthy periods of time in a bid to teach them a lesson.

Revellers however say the restrictions have left Paris nightlife lagging behind that of other cities in Europe.

In 2013 Clément Léon the city's first "nightlife mayor" was appointed and vowed to come out fighting on the subject of noise pollution

“People want certain surroundings, but not the life that goes with it,” Léon said at the time.
“When they move into a neighbourhood, they have to understand that there [will be] noise…They have to understand that Paris is a capital city, and a capital city moves and shakes, it makes noise,” he added.

http://www.thelocal.fr/20150311/officials-to-turn-down-the-volume-on-paris

"almost 90 percent of the population concerned about the noise. " What a "boring" place for nightlife!

Updated August 15, 2016.
Compared to New York or London, Paris isn't a particularly noisy city, and nightlife rowdiness is relatively rare in a culture where most locals drink and party moderately.

But since the 2008 smoking ban took effect in France and smokers were pushed to congregate on sidewalks outside bars and clubs, noise complaints have skyrocketed, prompting the local police to issue fines more stringently and force nightlife spots to close earlier. Dispirited DJs and club owners are reportedly fleeing Paris in droves for more noise-tolerant places like Berlin, claiming that the city of lights is fast becoming the city of sleep.
[...]
What exactly do the rules say?
Examining nationwide regulations regarding nighttime noise, they actually appear pretty reasonable. Between 10:00 PM and 7:00 AM, bars, clubs, and other nightlife establishments with outdoor seating must work to try to keep noise levels below three decibels, and "ambiant" noise levels (the kind you hear when a group of people is talking normally) can be much higher-- which means people can generally talk comfortably late into the night even if they're sitting outdoors (no whispering required). Between 7 AM to 10:00 pm noise levels should be kept below five decibels. What's more, fines are generally assigned only if excessive noise continues for a long stretch: a momentary shout here or there won't earn bar or club owners tickets.

Secondly, establishments playing live or recorded music are required to install appropriate insulation and keep doors closed; they can earn fines of up to 1,500 € and have their equipement confiscated should an infraction occur.
[...]

http://goparis.about.com/od/nightli...ions-Turning-Paris-Into-the-City-of-Sleep.htm

New York has already been covered in this string, vastly tighter noise regs than Toronto, by magnitudes of sound pressure and other societal factors.

How about London? Make that the UK, it's nationally regulated in the UK:

Final encore for UK’s live music venues as noise rules lead to closures
For music fans of a certain age it must count as one of the greatest gigs in history. On 4 July 1976, at Sheffield’s Black Swan club, the Clash played live for the first time, supporting the Sex Pistols on a bill that also included the Buzzcocks.

Over the years the Black Swan changed its name to the Sheffield Boardwalk, but its commitment to live music remained undiminished. Arctic Monkeys performed at the club, releasing a demo collection recorded at the venue called Beneath the Boardwalk.

But the club is no more. It has joined many other famous venues, including Leicester’s Princess Charlotte, Leeds’ Duchess of York and Dudley’s JB’s, in shutting its doors. In central London, large-scale redevelopment projects have seen the closure of Madame Jo Jo’s and the Astoria and the relocation of the 12 Bar Club; Camden has witnessed the closure of the Purple Turtle and the Stillery. Several other Camden venues and Oxford Street’s 100 Club are said to be threatened. So, too, are a number of venues outside the capital, notably Southampton’s the Joiners, the Tunbridge Wells Forum, Exeter’s Cavern, Hull’s Adelphi and Manchester’s Band on the Wall.

Reasons for the closures are manifold, but a common concern is the increasingly hostile environment for many venues. The pressure to build more housing has seen blocks of flats built next to clubs, causing a rise in noise-abatement notices that can cost thousands of pounds to contest.

The alarming pace at which the venues are closing is now the subject of a report to be presented to the mayor of London, Boris Johnson, this week by the Music Venue Trust, a body set up to defend the UK’s live music scene, which estimates that the number of live music venues in the capital has fallen from 430 to 245 since 2007. Mark Davyd, the trust’s founder and chief executive, said there had been a similar fall across the UK, threatening the diverse nature of Britain’s cultural landscape.
[...]

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2...oardwalk-uk-live-music-venues-shut-developers

How "boring". Toronto's actually 'wild' in comparison to many cities. Not that some who claim to be so worldly would or even could notice...

 

[freshcutgrass]

Cabana????

What kind of late 90's *Wallpaper era name is that?

 

[steveintoronto]

Cabana????

What kind of late 90's *Wallpaper era name is that?

LOL...I farted, hiccuped and burped at the same time when I read how (gist) "we wanted a name that hadn't been used before"...

[...]Over its history it has been home to many notable residents.[1] In the 1960s and 1970s it was a centre of the Queen Street West music scene, and saw such visitors as Leonard Cohen and the Rolling Stones. On the second level, the Cabana Room was a central venue to the strip. The Jack Nicholson film The Last Detail was also partially filmed at the hotel.[7]
[...]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spadina_Hotel

Not that the jump-up wannabe Yos would know...it was a dive, but I've played there, as has most anyone and everyone involved in the Toronto music scene. Musician friend was recollecting a story of having to carrying a Hammond B3 (and Leslie) down the fire-escape which was the way to load and unload from the room, I'd repressed the memory, for reasons of sanity. Did I mention what a dive it was? (Almost all the Toronto venues were, it was par for the course in those days)(not to mention the stench of cigarette smoke that clung to everything, including lung tissue)

PROPERTY REPORT
Memories of the Cabana Room
Guy Dixon
The Globe and Mail
Published Monday, Jul. 11, 2016 2:34PM EDT

The postpunk bands played and experimental filmmakers gathered amid the faded 1930s and ’40s elegance, where high-end coffee and high-priced organic drinks are now sold.

“It was the kind of place you had to know about,” artist and musician G.B. Jones says of the Cabana Room, an upstairs venue off the beaten track in what was the Spadina Hotel on the corner of Toronto’s King Street West and Spadina Avenue.

By the late 1990s, the nearly 100-year-old hotel was turned into a youth hostel and fell into disrepair, only to be recently gutted and repurposed as Quantum Coffee and BrainStation, a business offering courses in Web design and programming. Its backers are trying to foster an urbane scene for tech-minded young professionals.

In the 1980s, it was a scene created by musicians and artists.

The main bar, when the building was still the Spadina Hotel, “was so beautiful,” Ms. Jones recalls. “They hadn’t changed it since the 1930s. When you walked in, it was like walking into a Raymond Chandler novel. You felt like you were in a film noir movie.”

But the upstairs Cabana Room was the focal point, hosting bands such as Fifth Column, a precursor to the riot grrrl movement in which Ms. Jones was mainly a drummer and singer. Experimental groups such as The Party’s Over and the alt-rock Woods are Full of Cuckoos also took the stage. Each were a burst of brilliance, equal to New York’s art punk and No Wave scene at the time.

The Cabana Room was also a draw for the busy cassette-tape culture, with bands releasing homemade tapes and compilations, now rare and highly prized.

The Art Deco decor, with shades of the downstairs bar, also featured silver poles, Ms. Jones says, which created little enclaves for the bands and the audience full of art students, many of whom lived close by.

She lived with bandmate Caroline Azar in a nearby warehouse. “We practised there, and we also had other people practising there. And everyone would just go over to the Cabana Room, because it was literally right around the corner,” she says.

This was decades before the glut of downtown condos. Living downtown was still an anomaly. “When we were younger, everyone we knew lived in warehouses right downtown. You’d walk around the streets, and the people you’d see would be mostly artists and musicians and filmmakers, and people who came downtown to work.” [...]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo.../memories-of-the-cabana-room/article30852881/

lol...did I mention what a dive it was? But it had magnitudes more class than The Docks regurgitated ever did or ever will have, no matter what guise it masquerades in...

 

[freshcutgrass]

Hey...at least there's somewhere for the Kardashians to go when they are in town.

 

[steveintoronto]

Hey...at least there's somewhere for the Kardashians to go when they are in town.

[...] The Cardassians were developed by the writers of the Star Trek TV series The Next Generation to provide an enemy race with whom the protagonists could interact, unlike the Borg, with whom such interpersonal drama was difficult due to their lack of personality and individuality.[...]

Kanye fits right in, especially when it comes to 'Lost in Space'...

 

[Bradley Libralesso]

You're pretty hilarious. Spend a lot of time eating in Michelin star restaurants do ya? he he

I thought you didn't like "boring"? And nothing says boring like a stuffy French Michelin starred restaurant.
Ever been to Geneva? That has to be the most boring major city on the planet. But they have Michelin star restaurants like we have Tim Hortons.

Of course there are no Michelin star restaurants....the Michelin Guide doesn't review Canadian restaurants.

Any more brilliant tidbits of worldly advice you can lay on us? ha ha

Ok, ignore critically acclaimed restaurants with strict criteria. And FYI Tokyo has the most Michelin starred restaurants in the world, and that is an exciting city. Plus that was not the only thing on the list.

 

[Bradley Libralesso]

Of course, we pale compared to Paris! Oh yes...Paris: (I blame the Michelin Guide myself) (No soup...errr...stars for you!)

http://www.thelocal.fr/20150311/officials-to-turn-down-the-volume-on-paris

"almost 90 percent of the population concerned about the noise. " What a "boring" place for nightlife!

http://goparis.about.com/od/nightli...ions-Turning-Paris-Into-the-City-of-Sleep.htm

New York has already been covered in this string, vastly tighter noise regs than Toronto, by magnitudes of sound pressure and other societal factors.

How about London? Make that the UK, it's nationally regulated in the UK:

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2...oardwalk-uk-live-music-venues-shut-developers

How "boring". Toronto's actually 'wild' in comparison to many cities. Not that some who claim to be so worldly would or even could notice...

Most of those proposed changes were aimed and quieting traffic, which falls inline a lot with how Paris is actually designed. Beside the world isn't compromosed of only white cities. Europe and North America aren't the end all of major cities in the world. Try a day in Taipei, Seoul, Tokyo, or Osaka and tell me there is as much entertainment here in Toronto.

 

[steveintoronto]

Ok, ignore critically acclaimed restaurants with strict criteria. And FYI Tokyo has the most Michelin starred restaurants in the world, and that is an exciting city. Plus that was not the only thing on the list.

Ah yes, Tokyo.

After years of relative silence in suburban Tokyo, children may soon be free to make some noise.

According to a noise pollution ordinance enacted 15 years ago in the outskirts of the Japanese capital, no person can make noise in excess of 45 decibels, which is about the volume of a bird whistle.

But there's a proposal on the table to exclude children's voices from regulation, and some wards hope to even extend the exception to local teenagers.

The move was triggered by a series of complaints from elderly residents about the noise from parks and schools, as the Tokyo's local government realised it should probably foster a more child-friendly environment, especially in light of the country's plummeting birth rates.

According to Japan News, schools across the city have been subject to complaint; sometimes it's because the students are talking, sometimes it's because the teachers are teaching.

The law means that every complaint must be considered, and measures introduced to keep the kids quiet.
[...]
The FT reports that one advocate told the city: "Children's voices should certainly be covered by noise regulations.

"Nearby people suffer. It's a big problem. Land values fall so it's a violation of property rights."

Another said: "Carefree play does not mean children should be allowed to make noise without thinking.

"Children should be taught to speak and sing at an appropriate volume, and age four is old enough to understand that."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...the-first-time-in-fifteen-years-10092927.html

Noise Regulation Law
http://www.env.go.jp/en/laws/air/noise/

And yet by your terms, Bradley, Tokyo must be "so boring". How many Michelin stars does "boring" earn?

Edit to Add: My time is limited for a smack-down, but the absurdities of Bradley's claims must be addressed, so readers can get an idea from these pasted-in Google results:

Dancing is against the law in Osaka!? - Osaka Forum - TripAdvisor
https://www.tripadvisor.com › ... › Osaka Prefecture › Osaka › Osaka Travel Forum
Jun 29, 2012 - Answer 1 of 13: Yup, there is a law on the books that hasn't been enforced ... People drinking in bars with loud music cannot get up and dance. .... Although I live and like Tokyo, Osaka is a much more sensible place to me.

Bangkok’s nightlife shuts down, and no one knows when the party will resume
Death of revered King Bhumibol Adulyadej has pulled the plug on the entertainment that draws many visitors to Thailand, but people working in tourist trade don’t see a long-term impact [...]

http://www.scmp.com/culture/music/a...-down-and-no-one-knows-when-party-will-resume

Japan’s fueihō (or "entertainment business control law") code governs everything from dancing, to drinking, to sex work, to nightclubs. Since its inception in 1948, the set of laws has technically forbade the existence of nightclubs under 66 square meters in size to allow dancing or for any sized club to allow dancing after midnight or 1 a.m. (depending on the area). For decades, officials turned a blind eye to the code, but in the last five years, police began enforcing the laws, leading to the closure of many dance halls and clubs. That, coupled with factors like the aging of Japan, threatened to decimate the country's clubbing culture. [...]
http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/888-h...laws-threaten-to-decimate-their-club-culture/

Bradley dances with the unintended consequences of his claims...and keeps treading on her toes while doing it...

Edit to Add:

Most of those proposed changes were aimed and quieting traffic

I presume you were stunned by the volume?

In certain neighbourhoods in the city, notably the 11th, which is popular among students, local residents and Town Hall officials have been involved in regular clashes with bar owners over late night noise.

Authorities have been known to crack down hard and have forced many popular hangouts to close for lengthy periods of time in a bid to teach them a lesson.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Ok, ignore critically acclaimed restaurants with strict criteria. And FYI Tokyo has the most Michelin starred restaurants in the world, and that is an exciting city. Plus that was not the only thing on the list.

What does this have to do with Tokyo, Osaka or Taipei? The urban form couldn't be more different - and no one in the right mind over there would have slapped a club where there is no mass transit nearby with no exposure of any kind.

AoD