Admiral Beez
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We can either do it properly or cheaply.
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TheGrimSweeper
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I'm not disagreeing, but for a city with real budget issues it's easy to see why they are going with "done but not perfect" approach.
Hey maybe the province could chip in to do it the right way if they are truly interested in lowering traffic without taking lanes....
Admiral Beez
Superstar
What I wish the province had done a decade ago was to enact Ontario wide regulations for bike lanes. Same as we have provincial regs for curb height and the rest of the HTA. https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/020239
I would have made two regs out of the gate: First, bikes lanes cannot take away vehicular lanes (including rush hour lanes that are otherwise on-street parking) unless vehicular traffic is reasonably unaffected through diversion to other streets, traffic signal sequencing, or other means to reduce any bike lane impacts. Second, on any bike lanes located on the roadspace where the posted speed limit is 50 kph or faster the lane must have hardened separation (curbs, railings, etc.) and never just paint. We can title this part: paint is not infrastructure.
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turbanplanner
Senior Member
TBH you can't get around things like a slow driver, stopped bus, or illegally stopping uber if you only have 1 lane.
Sorry, I was being a bit pedantic. The rush hour zones I'm used to cover the AM and PM rush, even on the side streets.
Also, if you have a disabled parking permit these are 1 of only 3 rules you don't get special privileges on.
There are several major streets I drive on that have no parking 24/7. Some of which were scheduled to have lanes installed.
J Bacon
New Member
I understand how a budgetary constraint results in the "not perfect" approach, however in my opinion it would be better to go with quality over quantity.
So less bike lane installations over time but the ones that you do build are done well.
Yes, as part of the new legislation it would be nice if they offered funding to do it the right way.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Traffic light sequencing would help. I live near Winchester and Parliament. The 2.1 km run on Parliament from Lakeshore to my turnoff at Winchester is a red light disaster. There are ten traffic lights from top to bottom (Mill, Front, King, Adelaide, Richmond, Queen, Shuter, Dundas, Gerrard, and Carlton) and all seem designed to prevent any through traffic.
evandyk
Senior Member
To be fair, that's a minor street that's crossing six major east/west thoroughfares. You would expect the lights to be red more often than not just because the cross streets have so much more traffic on them than Parliament.
elcorrerador
Active Member
I biked from the freshco on Dundas to King st through Parliament the other day and I was hating myself for not walking that stretch. Would have been faster if I had walked.
Andy_in_Toronto
Active Member
In todays news release from the Ontario government no mention of “bike lanes”:
news.ontario.ca
What do I and we miss?
Ontario Newsroom
news.ontario.ca
What do I and we miss?
Cambry Ardship
Active Member
Unfortunately, I think there is an answer to your question now.
toronto.citynews.ca
Ford doubles down on 'remove and replace' when it comes to existing bike lanes
Premier Ford not only doubled when it comes to bike lanes, saying he was going to bring "sanity back to bike lane decisions."
toronto.citynews.ca
While addressing a lunchtime crowd of more than 1,000 at the Empire Club of Toronto on Thursday, Ford not only doubled down on the province’s plan to prevent future bike lanes from being built in cities if it means taking out other traffic lanes but went one step further, saying he was going to bring “sanity back to bike lane decisions.”
“It isn’t enough to keep an eye on future bike lanes. We need to and will remove and replace existing bike lanes on primary roads that are bringing traffic in our cities to a standstill,” Ford said to applause from the business crowd.
Andy_in_Toronto
Active Member
A populistic talk in a men’s club is something, but an official news release something else.
Nothing else this government has to focus on?
Nothing else this government has to focus on?
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TTCdinosaur
Active Member
This is kinda hilarious lol - nice while it lastedUnfortunately, I think there is an answer to your question now.
Ford doubles down on 'remove and replace' when it comes to existing bike lanes
Premier Ford not only doubled when it comes to bike lanes, saying he was going to bring "sanity back to bike lane decisions."
While addressing a lunchtime crowd of more than 1,000 at the Empire Club of Toronto on Thursday, Ford not only doubled down on the province’s plan to prevent future bike lanes from being built in cities if it means taking out other traffic lanes but went one step further, saying he was going to bring “sanity back to bike lane decisions.”“It isn’t enough to keep an eye on future bike lanes. We need to and will remove and replace existing bike lanes on primary roads that are bringing traffic in our cities to a standstill,” Ford said to applause from the business crowd.
afransen
Senior Member
Perhaps the provincial government should ban new traffic signals within a given distance of other signals without demonstrated need. I think folks on UT could even get behind that.
afransen
Senior Member
Perhaps this needs to be addressed by taking any street where bike lanes are removed and having daily rush hour 'critical mass' protests where cyclists take the lane and force everyone to go 15 kph in all traffic lanes. I'd say it would be a good idea if it weren't so likely to result in someone getting killed or seriously injured.Unfortunately, I think there is an answer to your question now.
Ford doubles down on 'remove and replace' when it comes to existing bike lanes
Premier Ford not only doubled when it comes to bike lanes, saying he was going to bring "sanity back to bike lane decisions."
While addressing a lunchtime crowd of more than 1,000 at the Empire Club of Toronto on Thursday, Ford not only doubled down on the province’s plan to prevent future bike lanes from being built in cities if it means taking out other traffic lanes but went one step further, saying he was going to bring “sanity back to bike lane decisions.”“It isn’t enough to keep an eye on future bike lanes. We need to and will remove and replace existing bike lanes on primary roads that are bringing traffic in our cities to a standstill,” Ford said to applause from the business crowd.
elcorrerador
Active Member
The critical mass will happen and it will be chaos. What are they going to do? Arrest cyclists for being on the road?
Where else are they supposed to go?
Some of the groups are already organizing. I think there was a ride yesterday and one more next week.