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Anyways, interesting study going around on mode-shift of students pre and post COVID: ;https://transformlab.torontomu.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/PDF-Haseeb_Mitra_TRB2024-1.pdf

Unsurprisingly, mode-shift from public transit and active to automobiles. This type of data is important to how we plan and build infrastructure.

While interesting, I'm not convinced the data says what you think it does..........or that its terribly accurate.

1) Data was the result of a voluntary survey with very low response rates, only 6% pre-pandemic and only 14.8% post pandemic, with no hard data from sensors or transit usage stats to back it up.

2) Transit service was slashed during the pandemic and had not fully returned in spring '22 when the second survey was taken. Ridership has grown robustly for suburban transit since spring '22; the latter is factual, measurable truth.

3) Even if we took the data at face value..........we need to look at where the sources are located.

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Important to see that there was no material shift at all in central Toronto.

Also important is all those blue dots which show a shift to transit.

The red dots are surprisingly few and most correlate with areas of lesser quality transit.

I'm fascinated to see that there is no dot at all for downtown Brampton or South Brampton, where we know transit ridership is up substantially, and not a single dot in Burlington of any description. That seems like pretty poor data quality lacking in granularity.

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There are dots in more areas on other charts........but really the response rate is quite poor, and its unclear to me whether its representative of the groups in question.
 
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While interesting, I'm convinced the data says what you think it does..........or that its terribly accurate.

1) Data was the result of a voluntary survey with very low response rates, only 6% pre-pandemic and only 14.8% post pandemic, with no hard data from sensors or transit usage stats to back it up.

2) Transit service was slashed during the pandemic and had not fully returned in spring '22 when the second survey was taken. Ridership has grown robustly for suburban transit since spring '22; the latter is factual, measurable truth.

3) Even if we took the data at face value..........we need to look at where the sources are located.

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Important to see that there was no material shift at all in central Toronto.

Also important is all those blue dots which show a shift to transit.

The red dots are surprisingly few and most correlate with areas of lesser quality transit.

I'm fascinated to see that there is no dot at all for downtown Brampton or South Brampton, where we know transit ridership is up substantially, and not a single dot in Burlington of any description. That seems like pretty poor data quality lacking in granularity.

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There are dots in more areas on other charts........but really the response rate is quite poor, and its unclear to me whether its representative of the groups in question.
~10% response rate is decent for surveys - but +20% in research is typically preferred.

Also, I think you meant to say "you are NOT convinced". It is one data point of many we should consider. Again, I'll state I am surprised a TMU student project is the only one that is trying to tackle mode-shift surveys, though imperfect. I await the perfect stat sig study on mode-shift behaviors presented by any data/policy wonk here with bated breath.

Overall, I am interested in the default behaviors across the population on where they tend to shift when public transit is unreliable:

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Second, I am also interested in what mode-shift happens where:
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But it is always much easier to critique work than to actually do it.
 
~10% response rate is decent for surveys - but +20% in research is typically preferred.

Also, I think you meant to say "you are NOT convinced". It is one data point of many we should consider. Again, I'll state I am surprised a TMU student project is the only one that is trying to tackle mode-shift surveys, though imperfect. I await the perfect stat sig study on mode-shift behaviors presented by any data/policy wonk here with bated breath.

Overall, I am interested in the default behaviors across the population on where they tend to shift when public transit is unreliable:

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Second, I am also interested in what mode-shift happens where:
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But it is always much easier to critique work than to actually do it.
Critique is healthy.
 
Also, I think you meant to say "you are NOT convinced".

Correct, I have edited my post accordingly.

It is one data point of many we should consider. Again, I'll state I am surprised a TMU student project is the only one that is trying to tackle mode-shift surveys, though imperfect.
I await the perfect stat sig study on mode-shift behaviors presented by any data/policy wonk here with bated breath.

There are lots of studies which look into modal split, on a recurrent basis, the corden count here in the GTA being notable among them.

There are reams of hard data available on ridership volumes in transit, number of users of the 407 ETR, parking occupancy rates, City cycling has counters for cyclists too.

Now, not all of that data is demographically granular (though some is).

If you're looking for studies that imply cause and effect, I think that's interesting, but even this one isn't very good at that, because at least among the graphics I saw, it didn't ask for a self-report reason for any shift.

So we don't know about service quality for transit, cost for transit, cost of parking, cost of gas, etc etc.

Overall, I am interested in the default behaviors across the population on where they tend to shift when public transit is unreliable:

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Second, I am also interested in what mode-shift happens where:
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This bit is good data, but it also says exactly what I'd expect it too.

Change to active transportation occurs where that infrastructure is best.

Change to transit occurs where service is most frequent.

Change to cars occurs where transit service is poorest, and where cycling infrastructure is poorer; but also where employment uses are generally lower, and therefore commutes longer.

But it is always much easier to critique work than to actually do it.

Putting aside that I 'do' a great deal.............

I would argue thoughtful critiques aren't all that common. Most people either take data they like as true and dismiss data they don't like as fake or misleading; or if open minded they take the data on its face, whatever it says, because they aren't even remotely curious as to how research methodology influenced what data was collected, what questions were asked, how the data was interpreted and what conclusions were drawn.

I'm not relentlessly critical, I am, however a well informed cynic that check's everyone's work.........(sometimes to the annoyance of people on either side of any given debate) . And I don't mind mine being similarly tested.

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Finally, with any research, I want to know what is actionable as a result.

I'm remarkably disinterested in useless information.

Whatever one is discussing, be it violent crime rates, or recidivism, addiction rates and treatment effectiveness, the life expectancy of people with CF; or those who get Breast Cancer, or the modal split of commuters in Toronto......... I want to know why the question was asked, and what use the data is telling us how we can do something better than we were.

In this case, beyond reinforcing the obvious, that bad transit results in lower ridership, and that good cycling infrastructure results in higher levels of cycling........I'm not sure this project is all that insightful.

I'm not picking on the author(s). Its an interesting subject and student time and resources are limited. Still, I don't see much that's helpful in the data.
 
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The installation of the new cycle track on Steeles Avenue East (Brimley to Midland), westbound, looks nearly finished, and several new trees have been planted. Meanwhile, the reconstruction work on the eastbound lane is still ongoing.

Photo are from Nov 4, 2024
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During a sustainability, infrastructure and development committee meeting on Tuesday, councillors voted 12-1 in favour of plans to design separated bike lanes in six areas:

The decision made in committee on Tuesday still needs to be ratified at a council meeting.
  • King Street between University Avenue and Weber Street N.
  • University Avenue between Westmount Road and Albert Street.
  • Bridgeport Road between Lancaster Street and Lang Crescent.
  • Bridgeport Road between Goldbeck Lane and Albert Street.
  • Caroline Street between Albert Street and Erb Street W.
  • Erb Street E. between Caroline Street and Goldbeck Lane.
Construction is expected to be implemented as part of the existing projections within the Transportation Capital Program. Bridgeport Rd (2028-2031). Erb St (2029). King St (2027). University Ave (2032).

The evaluation of pilot program highlighted high maintenance cost with the temporary curb separation. High cost due to winter maintenance, as well as concrete curbs and flex post replacement.

The proposed design is raised to the boulevard level, thus bollards not being necessary. Space to allow snow to be pushed into the boulevard. Boulevard space maximized to allow for snow storage.

Proposed upgrades and expansion are coloured Blue and Red. Map highlights connectivity with the network.
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Renders of the proposed design of cycling facilities.

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Bridgeport Rd's Hwy 85 Crossing: Current Design
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Recommended design of Bridgeport Rd's Highway 85 crossing. Currently not formally accepted by the MTO.
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Capacity and Travel Time impacts.
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So, what, 1 month after these lanes are ostensibly finished, the north end of the dual cycle tracks (west side) of the Leaside bridge has this absolute pile of pylons advising cyclists that the lane is closed. Most cyclists ignore it and continue in the perfectly separated lanes
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Mind you, there are pylons to the left of the barrier, too, blocking a lane of traffic. Yes, I will let 311 Toronto know!
 
I assume the bike lanes on Queens Park Crescent will be the link between the University and Bloor lanes. I certainly hope it gets built but ...

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^^^^ @PinkLucy do you think we could move this one over to the Cycling infrastructure thread?

Now to answer @DSC 's question.

There are already cycle tracks on Queen's Park Crescent:

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But they are currently of the 'quick build' variety.

The intent is to replace the flexiposts with a hardened concrete curb and to widen the cycle track just a bit. There would also be improvements to the bus stops (platforms etc.)

As there is no parking here, there will be minimal, though some streetscape enhancement.
 

"Danforth-Kingston 4 All said most of the route has three lanes of traffic in each direction and can go ahead without approval because the traffic lanes can be narrowed."
 

"Danforth-Kingston 4 All said most of the route has three lanes of traffic in each direction and can go ahead without approval because the traffic lanes can be narrowed."

This is true of the Kingston Road section.

Danforth, most particularly from just east of the railway underpass to Victoria Park, however, will require removing traffic lanes.

For clarity, I think the project should go ahead anyway; I'm just making sure people have a clear picture.
 

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