generalcanada
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apperently my emojis are too annoying and hes blocked me LOL
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nfitz
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There's literally houses and a suburb just south of West Queen. And a massively wide right-of-way on Kipling and West Queen.
To suggest that they don't add bike infrastructure when they are doing future rebuilds is simply trolling.
To suggest that they don't add bike infrastructure when they are doing future rebuilds is simply trolling.
turbanplanner
Senior Member
If it's a rebuild that's a fair thing do to! If it's a multi use trail like the North end I doubt most people would be against it. (see photo)
I think grade separating the lanes and adding a multi use trail is indeed a good idea.
From what I remember it won't be like that and they're going to take out the centre lane and add bike lanes on each side. Yes there are houses but unless you're going to bike to the mall or Ikea there isn't anything worth heading to west bound.
nfitz
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Unless I'm mistaken, Kipling is north-south. It's about 1,500 metres from that suburb to the south entrance of Kipling Station at Munster - which has a bike parking area. On Lake Shore, just south of the tracks, is a high school. There's a big potential pool of cyclists.
As your picture shows, there's a massive amount of right-of-way space on Kipling. It's wide enough for 6 lanes of traffic. So it's wide enough to add bike lanes.
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turbanplanner
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As for North Queen - it terminates in Sherway Gardens. Which has a lot of young employees who can't afford to drive. There's more than enough space between the curb and the sidewalk to add bike lanes.
I feel like this is a misconception, basically all of the lower income people I know drive, as you can't really bike in the winter effectively and the lower wage Jobs aren't tolerant of being late.
I feel like anything aside from a multi use path is the worst case for everyone.
As for Biking to the mall or lake, the TTC has excellent coverage of this area. It's rare to go more than 5 mins without seeing the 44, and the 123 is fairly frequent
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nfitz
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If you think everyone is driving, then I don't know what city you are living in.
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turbanplanner
Senior Member
Not everyone is driving but based on my own research a lot of the people biking have money for an electric bike or lycra. The majority of low wage workers aren't taking bikes, they're on the TTC
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bearcat
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Are.you specifically talking about people biking along more "suburban" parts of Toronto? Downton the vast majority of people biking are certainly not in Lycra and the majority are not on an expensive electric bike (except those working for the delivery apps). There is a lot of of people dressed in regular office clothing on Bike Share and commuter bikes.
Bike Share is only like $8.75 + tax per month, very affordable for low wage workers, it's like 3 TTC fares.
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nfitz
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I wouldn't take a bike down Kipling until they improve the cycling infrastructure and separated bike lanes!
But electric bikes? That's not what I see most of the time.
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Do you go at 2 am? I see more than 10 every time I am there (morning and afternoons but not rush hour). When I lived closer, I used Royal York regularly, and I certainly wasn’t the only one.
At this point, your trolling is becoming tiresome, and it may be time for another break from UT.
turbanplanner
Senior Member
How am I trolling? I've given sources for some of my claims, and unlike others I'm not throwing insults at people. I go out in the real world and have spend dozens of hours collecting data to share here. The 3 days of sifting through footage took me over 100 hours.... I've even shared screenshots as evidence for several claims. That doesn't sound like any sort of troll I've heard before.
People will fight tooth and nail about how other projects are wasteful (413, highway expansions, subway extensions) but I guess my crime is going against the dogma around here...
There are actual counting mechanisms and studies such as the Pedal Poll in places you do your “studies” that refute your claims, but you never acknowledge those. How about sources for all of your claims, not just some? Pretty amazing how you spend 100 hours over 3 days when there are only 72 hours in that time frame. But I guess that’s just another example of the accuracy and reliability of your studies.
DSC
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I have found the ignoring of Mr TurbanPlanner quite refreshing!
MisterF
Senior Member
This guy cracks me up with his "studies". 
Their jobs.
You can bike effectively in the winter when bike paths are separated from traffic and they're ploughed after it snows. If subarctic Finns can bike effectively in the winter than so can Canadians in a relatively temperate city like Toronto.
Of course they're not biking when the areas they work in are so hostile to it. As the research shows, when a network of safe cycling infrastructure is provided then people use it. I'm not sure why anyone would think that low wage workers wouldn't take the cheapest form of transportation when that option is actually safe.