[nfitz]

Its not just appearance (eventually) the RT trains are getting an overhaul. New motors, new brakes and wheels, new interior, etc.

It would be interesting to see some photos of the interior.

Its costing $150 million so it better be more than just a paint job!!

Over $5 million per vehicle ... I don't think so.

The entire SRT life extension project is only $132 million over the next 10 years, of which only $23 million is for vehicles. This years budget is $6.3 million with another $1.8 million in 2016.

 

[PL1]

Its not just appearance (eventually) the RT trains are getting an overhaul. New motors, new brakes and wheels, new interior, etc.

Its costing $150 million so it better be more than just a paint job!!

I haven't been on Line 3 in probably 5 years, but the trains always had a musty smell of mould. (My kids called it the stinky subway). Hopefully that's no more.

 

[dowlingm]

Apparently TTC is collaborating with Vancouver on the overhaul:
https://twitter.com/torontofurry/status/580469560932978688

 

[nfitz]

Apparently TTC is collaborating with Vancouver on the overhaul:
https://twitter.com/torontofurry/status/580469560932978688

Yes, that was reported somewhere when the news about the overhaul first came out.

 

[epcjay]

So much for overhaul!

What a bad impression. The first one with the wrap job breaks down, and has to sit in the kennedy loop.

 

[APTA-2048]

Decals can only do so much. They haven't actually done the extensive work to the cars yet.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Cool. I've never seen that loop used before.

 

[salsa]

The stupid thing about having the (3) on the vehicles is that it's useless information.

By the time the passenger gets to that platform, he/she has already wayfound his/her way to the correct line.

The trains on that track/platform are not interlined with any other route - so it is useless information.
It's not even like a digital or roller sign that states terminus station, which would indicate direction.

We wouldn't even be having this discussion had council supported the LRT. But Karen Stintz wanted to run for mayor, so ya.

 

[BurlOak]

We wouldn't even be having this discussion had council supported the LRT. But Karen Stintz wanted to run for mayor, so ya.

And, the Liberals withheld the Eglinton-Scarborough Crosstown report. But they were vying for a majority, so ya.

 

[Johnny Au]

Wow.

The TTC did half a job with one half of the train having the 1985 paint job exposed and the other half having the blue Line 3 decal.

 

[44 North]

A bit of an add-on to Burloak’s post: Before the MOU was signed which led the way for that study he linked to, TransitToronto claims the Prov had been prepared to offer $2,000,000,000 towards the construction of the Sheppard Subway extension on the condition that the Eglinton LRT be allowed to operate on the surface. This was turned down by the Ford administration. http://transit.toronto.on.ca/streetcar/4124.shtml (so, I guess that's $2bn on top of the deferred +$2bn for the FWLRT and SELRT?)

Regardless, the Prov signed an MOU anyways. So let’s see the subway projects they've thrown support behind on a whim: Spadina extension to some barren fields in Vaughan (8.6km), Yonge extension to vacant land in Richmond Hill/Markham (6.8km), seemingly a Sheppard ext (?), an all-underground Crosstown (19km), Scarborough Subway (7.6km)....

But the Relief line (or just its initial 5.5km)? Whoa, whoa, hold your horses. Apparently the RL 'doesn’t mean just a subway'. It "...involves potentially subway, it involves buses, it involves a number of different considerations". Clearly we’re "getting ahead of ourselves" and need to be cautioned against "seizing on one solution". http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/tra...c_go_top_priorities_for_new_transit_fund.html

The Prov can support subways at the snap of a finger, make it rain suburban subways willy nilly, and completely ignore affordable subway-like options such as elevated rail. But the one project where ridership projections are reliably high and haven’t decreased over the decades (like virtually every other proposal), and is absolutely critical from a network perspective? Ignored from the MO2020 plan, only included as a short ad hoc afterthought at #48 for the '25-year' Big Move (seemingly because those behind Yonge North didn’t do their homework); not to mention stated on the record that it may not be important enough to warrant subway-level investment. Why? Because apparently we 'mustn’t get ahead of ourselves'.

When Metrolinx’s long list of Relief ideas are released in the next few weeks, I certainly hope we’ll be seeing a fully grade-separated rapid transit line. If it "involves buses" like they’ve aloofly and bizarrely claimed, I think all bets are off and that something’s definitely awry at the agency.

 

[Adjei]

And how long has Toronto shown any interest in the relief line? It's only recently that any of the Toronto politicians have given a damn about the relief line for it to even be considered. If the Relief Line was so important to Toronto, I wonder why they were proposing subways to York University if the relief line needed to be built..

 

[TheTigerMaster]

The Prov can support subways at the snap of a finger, make it rain suburban subways willy nilly, and completely ignore affordable subway-like options such as elevated rail. But the one project where ridership projections are reliably high and haven’t decreased over the decades (like virtually every other proposal), and is absolutely critical from a network perspective? Ignored from the MO2020 plan, only included as a short ad hoc afterthought at #48 for the '25-year' Big Move (seemingly because those behind Yonge North didn’t do their homework); not to mention stated on the record that it may not be important enough to warrant subway-level investment. Why? Because apparently we 'mustn’t get ahead of ourselves'.

And how long has Toronto shown any interest in the relief line? It's only recently that any of the Toronto politicians have given a damn about the relief line for it to even be considered. If the Relief Line was so important to Toronto, I wonder why they were proposing subways to York University if the relief line needed to be built..

16 years from now, the Relief Line is projected to move only 11,000 pphpd. That's not very high. 40 to 50 years before that date (80s to 90s), that number certainly would have been drastically lower. If we were to have built the Relief Line back then, we would have been getting ahead of ourselves.

It should also be known that the TTC had a large usage slump in the 90s, which killed any talk of a Relief Line until the mid 2000s.

The Yonge North extension is projected to bring 25,186 passengers per peak AM hour southbound through Finch Station and 44,000 though Bloor-Yonge. Current subway capacity is 38,000 pphpd (though that will increase with the Toronto Rockets and ATO). Prior to the Yonge North extension proposal, the expectation was that new trains and ATO would be able to accommodate ridership growth. With the new Yonge North proposal bringing 25,186 passengers through the current Yonge terminus (66% of line capacity!!!), that put a wrench though the previous plans to accommodate Yonge ridership growth. That is why the Relief Line is only being considered now.

 

[officedweller]

Wow.

The TTC did half a job with one half of the train having the 1985 paint job exposed and the other half having the blue Line 3 decal.

The cars are in married pairs that would get shuffled around and coupled differently in the yard from time to time.
You see the same mix of liveries on Vancouver's SkyTrain -with an older painted pair coupled to a newly painted pair.

 

[Silence&Motion]

It should also be known that the TTC had a large usage slump in the 90s, which killed any talk of a Relief Line until the mid 2000s.

This is a key point. If I recall correctly, the main concern back then was how to get more people onto the subway rather than dealing with capacity issues.