narduch
Senior Member
Does City Council have the authority to demolish Toronto?
Yes. But you will have to wait years for the studies to be completed.
Does City Council have the authority to demolish Toronto?
Question: is there any alignment that could result in this being entirely above ground? If not, why?
Yes it was floated by the Liberal transportation minister in 2014.
It would require a new Kennedy station, to demolish some buildings around the curve at Ellesmere, to rebuild the elevated portion of the SRT to handle the weight of subway cars, and if we want 3 track RER in the Stouffville corridor, elevation above that area as well.
A lot of if's.
I am pretty sure you celebrated the lrt being cancelled.
Speeds on surburban LRT lines are comparable to those on downtown subway lines. Speed is primarily a function of stop spacing. I'm in favour of widening the stops - it might even be faster than some spots downtown then!
^It was a serious question - I guess the answer is no?
I'd argue that rapid transit should be 30 km/h or greater, and I don't believe that the average speed of the Yonge line is less than that of the Bloor Danforth line.IMO, transit lines should be ranked based on the average speed, rather than a short section that may be slower than the rest of the line. The average speed of Line 1 is 30 kph, Line 2 is 32 kph.
Of course we can change the definitions, and say that everything with average speed faster than say 20 kph is rapid transit. Then, 100% of the planned Toronto LRT lines will be rapid transit. However, then we should count express buses as rapid transit, too.
You suggested that I or others are hoping to celebrate (celebrate was your word) the extension being cancelled. When one uses the word celebrate I envision myself sending out custom invites declaring that we won and having people over with noise makers and a giant Subway pinata that we break with candy Scarborough gummy bears coming out. No one is cheering and jeering as you describe "kill it, kill it, kill it." Also you seem to suggest that those who are against this plan are against infrastructure in general as if we have no plans of LRT which by the way is also infrastructure. Now you are trying to paint yourself as a reasonable transit enthusiast who simply favored the subway option slightly over the LRT plan. One subway stop is slightly favored to you then 46 LRT stops. Congrats. As for my life it is perfectly fine thank you very much, particularly in regards to transit in proximity to my house. Actually my quality of life has substantially improved since I moved away from Scarborough. That is not a subtle jab but it is the truth especially in the case of mobility. Finally please don't categorize me with the word "folks." That politically used word, by people with money to sound as if they are of the people, should be kept for the simple people who vote for the simple politicians who use simple words.And, you are wrong [Which is only natural, since you are pulling your assumption out of thin air.]
Back in 2013, I was slightly in favor of the subway option, but wouldn't see it as a problem if the City Council just went along with SLRT that was the official plan.
Certainly I didn't cheer and jeer, "kill it, kill it, kill it."
Unlike some folks on this thread, who obviously have nothing better to fill their lives with than to attack SSE.
I'd argue that rapid transit should be 30 km/h or greater, and I don't believe that the average speed of the Yonge line is less than that of the Bloor Danforth line.
There has to be some threshold. You can't say that the 22 km/h Finch west line is rapid transit when it's only going to be 2-3 km/h faster than the express bus. If one is going to set a threshold, a comparison has to be made between it and a "lower order" method of transit that would take it's place. For the subways, this would be an express bus line or a streetcar line. For instance, the Sheppard subway runs at appx 41 km/h. Compared to the bus, which is somewhere around 18 km/h, it is most certainly rapid transit.Well I think the Subway trains are slow in comparison to GO trains. Therefore Subways are not Rapid transit but GO trains are rapid transit. GO trains are rapid transit because I arbitrarily decided the standard.
Question: is there any alignment that could result in this being entirely above ground?
No one is cheering and jeering as you describe "kill it, kill it, kill it."
Also you seem to suggest that those who are against this plan are against infrastructure in general as if we have no plans of LRT which by the way is also infrastructure.
Now you are trying to paint yourself as a reasonable transit enthusiast who simply favored the subway option slightly over the LRT plan.
One subway stop is slightly favored to you then 46 LRT stops. Congrats.
As for my life it is perfectly fine thank you very much, particularly in regards to transit in proximity to my house. Actually my quality of life has substantially improved since I moved away from Scarborough. That is not a subtle jab but it is the truth especially in the case of mobility.
Finally please don't categorize me with the word "folks." That politically used word, by people with money to sound as if they are of the people, should be kept for the simple people who vote for the simple politicians who use simple words.
I remember rooting for the transfer LRT plan to fail - because it opened the door to do things better. Sadly, they did not explore what other better options there were.Yes. Some people here were musing how great they will feel if the subway plan collapses.
i.e upload rapid transit to the Province and vote for better politicians