sixrings
Senior Member
So some people think finch lrt should be in the hydro fields instead of Finch itself while some complain about the RT corridor being off the beaten path. The only solution...subways, subways, subways
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More of the same from the Star.As the top bureaucrat announces her departure from city hall, the untold story of how she tried but failed to prevent what’s been called the city’s biggest transit “boondoggle” can be found in her email inbox
In the lead-up to a crucial vote during which city council flip-flopped on transit plans to approve a multibillion-dollar subway in Scarborough, Jennifer Keesmaat went on the warpath.
How chief planner Jennifer Keesmaat tried to stop the Scarborough subway
More of the same from the Star.
It serves 2 purposes: criticizes SSE, and promotes Keesmaat for future office as a Progressive.
I note there is still no mention of how Council and Liberal MPPs killed* the Eglinton-Scarborough Crosstown just to defeat the (then) popular Rob Ford. Within a half a year, they realized their own jobs were in trouble and introduced the SSE to save their jobs.
* - Council killed it by their vote, of course. Liberals killed it by hiding Metrolinx June 2012 report from City Council (to ensure Council would vote against the Ford plan) and from the public (so they could run as Subway Champions in 2013 by-election and 2014 election). This was a clear example of defeating Ford at all costs - and now we are paying those costs. It is likely cheaper (on a per seat basis), then the Liberals wasted on the Oakville and Mississauga gas plants.
I don't think even the Scarborough Subway supporters truly believe this subway will make Scarborough residents happy. Come 2026, they'll be complaining about how its only one stop, how there's no stop at Lawrence and Eglinton, and how they now have super long bus rides to get to the one subway stop. $5 Billion just to exchange one problem for another. A true travesty.
I don't think even the Scarborough Subway supporters truly believe this subway will make Scarborough residents happy. Come 2026, they'll be complaining about how its only one stop, how there's no stop at Lawrence and Eglinton, and how they now have super long bus rides to get to the one subway stop. $3.5 Billion just to exchange one problem for another. A true travesty.
100% correct. People are passed at the lack of stops and are tired of this LRT vs. Subway nonsense. It's not even being reported at all. There was so much middle ground but thanks to Tory's Smarttrack, the anti Ford opposition who to this day refuse to move the discussion from the inferior transfer LRT we are stuck with on stop.
Both sides have basically handed Ford the opportunity to benefit here as he'll surely advocate to kill SmartTrack and add the Lawrence stop. Which as much as I don't like Doug personally I feel it's the best plan given the stage, the Politcal gridlock on Council, and future benefit to central Scarborough.
A true travesty is right.
At what point does this subway extension become too expensive for you?
I really think that the opposition doesn't care about transit one bit, and it is all about retaining the legacy of David Miller.When someone can show concrete proof that the cost of delays from stopping agian and the cost to design another option other than the transfer LRT is going to provide significant savings to warrant another delay of 5 to 10 years. Contrary to whats being ignored in the reporting opposition the 7 stop transfer LRT would also require a new EA, costs are rising, and it wouldn't be supported by any politicians other than the outside of the ones who have always refused. They also have shown no interest to work to remove transfers even using LRT technology. It's hopeless tbh and not even a realistic option to start another debate with further chaos.
It's the cost to move the City forward and at this stage and it's pretty much too late to go back. Just add a stop and don't make the same mistake on Sheppard by reopening the same LRT plan without addressing the stub as it will end up in the same dragged out mess. Delaying and debating will produce similar cost increases due to inflation anyway.
The reason we ended up with the SSE was because Ford was fully willing to compromise. All he asked during the 2010 campaign was for transit to not interfere with cars (and thus cars to not interfere with transit).Which plan is this? The one that eliminated 18 stops, put the whole thing underground and doubled the cost? The plan was defeated because it was a poor solution, and Ford was unwilling to compromise.
Assuming that a DRL is not built - which I think is the hope of both those who support transfer LRT and SSE. Both of these put people onto the B-D for a transfer at Y-B - by far the biggest bottleneck on the system whose dwell time control the entire Yonge line. Dividing that dwell time more evenly between Y-B and Y-E will help - although not to any significant extent.SSE is still a better option than either LRT with transfer or LRT combined with Eglinton. The first is inconvenient, while the second would cause overload of the Eglinton line, as well as Yonge line between Eglinton and Bloor.