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TAS said:
So are you saying being there for your kids 5 days a week is ideal or do you want city workers in the office 7 days a week, because that's good parenting.
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Don't be condescending. You know what I mean. The city's stance is shameful and full of hypocrisy.
By your logic then, ALL other DT workers should only be DT for three days. So, let's make it Tue/ Wed/ Thur. That 'seems pretty significant and certainly not nothing', right?! (See, I can be condescending, too.)
 
whattheheck said:
Don't be condescending. You know what I mean. The city's stance is shameful and full of hypocrisy.
By your logic then, ALL other DT workers should only be DT for three days. So, let's make it Tue/ Wed/ Thur. That 'seems pretty significant and certainly not nothing', right?! (See, I can be condescending, too.)
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Your comparison to days in the office to parenting was weak - just saying you think all dosntown city office workers should be at their desk 5 days a week would have sufficed.
I'm in office 5 days a week, although sometimes because I have flexibility, i work half the day from home. But my downtown-bases employer of 1,500 only requires most of us to be in office once per week. A small percentage are required all five days and a few only once per month. People are happy and thriving. We are a major financial sponsor of many downtown events though - so were like a parent not there for their kids very often so they buy them a lot of things to make up for it.
 
But you see: Downtown is a child and you as the office worker are its parent whose primary responsibility is.... uh... not whatever your actual job is but making sure the pedways are busy at lunch. Or something.
 
Gus Haynes said:
But you see: Downtown is a child and you as the office worker are its parent whose primary responsibility is.... uh... not whatever your actual job is but making sure the pedways are busy at lunch. Or something.
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Perhaps to put this differently, all of us who work or live downtown have some responsibility to help improve it. One of the problems in our city is we haven't taken this as seriously as we should.

I feel it is also fair to say the city as a whole has been a somewhat neglectful parent at times and does/has done some things that are at cross purposes with having a more healthy downtown.
 
Gus Haynes said:
But you see: Downtown is a child and you as the office worker are its parent whose primary responsibility is.... uh... not whatever your actual job is but making sure the pedways are busy at lunch. Or something.
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that doesn't make any sense. by that logic, there's not need for any business or corporate presence specifically to be DT, then, Suburban office parks are best for office and business professionals with no need to worry about if the 'pedways are busy at lunch. Or something.'
 
"We want Downtown to be a thriving place for people to live and work. But I wouldn't live there. And I would maybe work there some of the time. Also I don't give a shit if Downtown businesses are going under, that's a private industry problem. Anyway, here's a tax increase."

A business-friendly Downtown and a nanny state Downtown are opposite ends of the same spectrum.
 
Went to the Edmonton Chamber of Commerce's "Municipal Leadership Dinner", great event, but when asked about RTO for City employees Knack emphasized the importance of council "staying true to their word" and dropping an estimated $5M in costs to have staff return to office full-time, which might be better spend on growing permitting teams or industry grants. Earlier in that same discussion, he pointed out how having 1000 families in Downtown for a large volleyball tournament hosted in 2025 (?) generated around $40M for the local economy in less than a week, due to spending on hotels, restaurants, etc.

Seems to me like that's having it both ways. Is having people spend money in Downtown important or not?
 
He also mentioned the importance of 'staying true to our word' (with the unions), but I do then ask, what about staying true to

Here's hoping that with the Feds coming back that the City does in fact move back to at least a 4 day work week for most and brings back a number of those who now mostly/fully work from home where possible. I don't expect all roles/positions to return as we have indeed 'evolved with the times', but still strongly believe that a good % should return.
 
policyenthusiast said:
Went to the Edmonton Chamber of Commerce's "Municipal Leadership Dinner", great event, but when asked about RTO for City employees Knack emphasized the importance of council "staying true to their word" and dropping an estimated $5M in costs to have staff return to office full-time, which might be better spend on growing permitting teams or industry grants. Earlier in that same discussion, he pointed out how having 1000 families in Downtown for a large volleyball tournament hosted in 2025 (?) generated around $40M for the local economy in less than a week, due to spending on hotels, restaurants, etc.

Seems to me like that's having it both ways. Is having people spend money in Downtown important or not?
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He was referring to the volleyball Canada nationals that brought 1000 families to the city from out of town that brought that economic activity in(which Calgary has now outbid Edmonton for and is now hosting).

I think they are different things to some extent as one is about out of town visitors.

Was at the event too.
 
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