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What exactly? - that was about drive throughs, rather than fast food places with street front access that other cities seem to have in their downtown cores.

I would consider the McDonalds in Oliver to be a suburban format, which might be ok for the location, but it is sure not easily walkable say for those who lives east of Oliver and is now the closest one for them also.
 
David A said:
What exactly? - that was about drive throughs, rather than fast food places with street front access that other cities seem to have in their downtown cores.

I would consider the McDonalds in Oliver to be a suburban format, which might be ok for the location, but it is sure not easily walkable say for those who lives east of Oliver and is now the closest one for them also.
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I miss the McDonald's on 117 Street and Jasper which was unique in that it had no drive-thru and was actually located on the upper level of the building (you had to walk up a set of stairs to get to the front counter and dining room).
 
buildings said:
hold on now. I live DT/Oliver. I don't have to "drive everywhere" as David A states, in fact, Oliver has one of, if not the highest walkability score of any neighbourhood in Edmonton. In fact, the only retail I cannot access without a vehicle at the moment is a hardware store; it's almost like I already live in one of those 15 minute cities. Several new coffee shops / bars / restaurants / retail stores have opened around me and a Red Robin and a Starbucks have left. Big whoop...stores open and close in cities all the time. So what exactly is the big hole we've dug, (not me, don't have a shovel); is it that suburban format fast-food brick and mortar, stand alone venues have taken over downtown? No, and the existing ones are leaving...I see that as upward, positive evolution. And what exactly, as another poster stated, "is being rammed down our throat"? especially if it isn't being rammed down the throats of those feisty Haligonians? F*** boys, we're talking about a mall. Oh, and the fainting spells over having to ride up 2 (TWO!) escalators to get to the ECC food court? Sort yourselves out.
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and a hardware store is jjst a short hop away on the #5.
 
Yeggy said:
Like they exist in a vacuum?
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Distance does matter particularly to those that don't live in your area. If you live on 103 Ave and 117 St, it is a short walk to Unity Square, which while it is a suburban style mall, does have a lot of services.

If you live in the downtown core on 104 St and 99 Ave, it is not walkable to go there. and it is faster to drive than take the bus. So the core, which may not concern you, is not as walkable as it should be.
 
David A said:
Distance does matter particularly to those that don't live in your area. If you live on 103 Ave and 117 St, it is a short walk to Unity Square, which while it is a suburban style mall, does have a lot of services.

If you live in the downtown core on 104 St and 99 Ave, it is not walkable to go there. and it is faster to drive than take the bus. So the core, which may not concern you, is not as walkable as it should be.
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When I lived in oliver i was in the core constantly.
 
Yeggy said:
When I lived in oliver i was in the core constantly.
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Anecdotal. Can't measure the average person's experience by your own. When I lived in Oliver, I had very few reasons to be at the core. And just because an adjacent neighborhood has certain things, does not mean another shouldn't have. Saying that DT doesn't need more street-facing, walkable food options (including, yes, fast-food chains, because they're what the average person consumes, hence why they're so big) because Oliver has them is laughable. Someone living on 104 st/Jasper Ave will not walk to 117st/104 Ave McDonalds, they'll most likely drive.

@David A has a point: the core should me more walkable, considering what it is. Oliver(Unity) Square/Brewery District serve Oliver well, because it is walkable for people living there, especially west of 112 st and north of Jasper Ave, but it is not as walkable if you're further away, especially in the winter.
I do believe the LRT will change this a lot, and It actually ties back into what I always say about low-floor LRT being great for short trips.
 
ChazYEG said:
Anecdotal. Can't measure the average person's experience by your own. When I lived in Oliver, I had very few reasons to be at the core. And just because an adjacent neighborhood has certain things, does not mean another shouldn't have. Saying that DT doesn't need more street-facing, walkable food options (including, yes, fast-food chains, because they're what the average person consumes, hence why they're so big) because Oliver has them is laughable. Someone living on 104 st/Jasper Ave will not walk to 117st/104 Ave McDonalds, they'll most likely drive.

@David A has a point: the core should me more walkable, considering what it is. Oliver(Unity) Square/Brewery District serve Oliver well, because it is walkable for people living there, especially west of 112 st and north of Jasper Ave, but it is not as walkable if you're further away, especially in the winter.
I do believe the LRT will change this a lot, and It actually ties back into what I always say about low-floor LRT being great for short trips.
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Most of what is shared here are stories, full stop. There is very little proof put up behind most peoples statements, including yours.

No shade, just T.
 
Yeggy said:
Most of what is shared here are stories, full stop. There is very little proof put up behind most peoples statements, including yours.
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At the very least, most people here back their opinions with some degree of arguments, instead of making personal attacks on people's credibility. Or, at the very least, we'll acknowledge when things are just speculative or anecdotal.

Also, good to remind you that some of us (me included) who have connections with privileged information are also bound to things like non-disclosure agreements, or are held to a high degree of discretion if we want to keep our sources open. But we have also established a track record of being accurate, because a lot of the time, our claims end up materializing. It does fall through, every now and then, for various reasons, since most of the time we don't have immediate access to the decision-makers or our sources.
 
ChazYEG said:
At the very least, most people here back their opinions with some degree of arguments, instead of making personal attacks on people's credibility. Or, at the very least, we'll acknowledge when things are just speculative or anecdotal.

Also, good to remind you that some of us (me included) who have connections with privileged information are also bound to things like non-disclosure agreements, or are held to a high degree of discretion if we want to keep our sources open. But we have also established a track record of being accurate, because a lot of the time, our claims end up materializing. It does fall through, every now and then, for various reasons, since most of the time we don't have immediate access to the decision-makers or our sources.
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Yeggy is right. You are wrong. What are you, the hall monitor here?
 
I don't envy whoever is tasked with turning this mall around. I honestly have no ideas left besides tearing everything down and starting from scratch.

WEM really killed downtown retail, Edmonton is an anomaly as all the other downtown malls in Canada are the most successful of their respective cities.
 
Foolworm said:
Edmonton is an anomaly as all the other downtown malls in Canada are the most successful of their respective cities.
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Objectively, the Chinook Centre is the most successful in Calgary, but I'll agree that we have the highest contrast, with WEM being one of the most successful malls in the whole country and ECC being the least successful DT mall, as far as I know
 
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