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10% of downtown's population being students was a cool stat to see. Honestly, I wouldn't mind if downtown's student population share kept growing and growing.
Don't disagree, but I would still love to see more families, too, on top of it.
 
I actually wonder if it might be better to pursue converting some of that under utilized office space for educational institution use rather than residential.

Some of the problems with office buildings from certain eras (big square design) do not lead them to be that suitable for residential except at a high cost with lot of work.
 
Families don't really want to live downtown, and for good reason.
1 - that's what we have to change. Long term sustainability for downtown depends on having young people stay for longer than their 20s and early 30s.

2 - I'll maintain my opinion that there's too much that's blown out of proportion regarding safety, etc.
 
I think safety is a big issue, but not the only one. For families to live downtown, you need to check a lot of boxes for it to be an option
-Both parents need to work downtown, or near downtown
-Close family also likely need to live close (most people with children love close to grandparents, uncles/aunts for child suppprt)
-Social network needs to live close (most people won't live downtown when their peers are mostly in the suburbs).
-Good schools (parents don't want to put kids in poorly rated inner city schools)
-Travel times (traffic of downtown makes it very difficult to commute during rush hours. Limits options for extracurricular activities or entertainment for parents).
-Housing prices (land is typically more expensive in the core and cheaper in the suburbs)
-Safety (Real and perceived. Just because homeless people wandering around might not be a threat to you, when kids are involved, the metric changes. Parents don't want to take the chance that there is a possibility of their kids being harmed)
-Parking....yes parking (other visitors need easy access to parking, otherwise other families are more reluctant to visit. Nothing like being in the center of the city and people reluctant to come downtown to visit.)

And then overall, what exactly wre the benefits to living downtown? Suburbs have more amenities, safety, less density, less traffic, more entertainment options. I'm confused why someone would want to live downtown unless they had no other choice with a family.

Being single, or without kids is a whole different story. Downtown just isn't practical for families.
 
I think safety is a big issue, but not the only one. For families to live downtown, you need to check a lot of boxes for it to be an option
-Both parents need to work downtown, or near downtown
-Close family also likely need to live close (most people with children love close to grandparents, uncles/aunts for child suppprt)
-Social network needs to live close (most people won't live downtown when their peers are mostly in the suburbs).
-Good schools (parents don't want to put kids in poorly rated inner city schools)
-Travel times (traffic of downtown makes it very difficult to commute during rush hours. Limits options for extracurricular activities or entertainment for parents).
-Housing prices (land is typically more expensive in the core and cheaper in the suburbs)
-Safety (Real and perceived. Just because homeless people wandering around might not be a threat to you, when kids are involved, the metric changes. Parents don't want to take the chance that there is a possibility of their kids being harmed)
-Parking....yes parking (other visitors need easy access to parking, otherwise other families are more reluctant to visit. Nothing like being in the center of the city and people reluctant to come downtown to visit.)

And then overall, what exactly wre the benefits to living downtown? Suburbs have more amenities, safety, less density, less traffic, more entertainment options. I'm confused why someone would want to live downtown unless they had no other choice with a family.

Being single, or without kids is a whole different story. Downtown just isn't practical for families.

"Travel times (traffic of downtown makes it very difficult to commute during rush hours. Limits options for extracurricular activities or entertainment for parents)"

I work dt now and walk 5 blocks, but when I worked in Sherwood Park my commute was easy and fast because most people are driving into dt, not out of it. Same thing coming home.
Being central, I have great access to all areas.


"Parking....yes parking (other visitors need easy access to parking, otherwise other families are more reluctant to visit. Nothing like being in the center of the city and people reluctant to come downtown to visit.)"

My condo has visitor parking (as do many) and it's never a problem for visitors.


"Suburbs have more amenities, safety, less density, less traffic..."

I walk to grocery store, restaurants., movie theater, Citadel (which I went to Saturday), arena, rec centres/swimming pools etc. There is also child care and medical labs, and many doctors/specialists and churches/school, outdoor skating and all the fun family festivals dt.

Also, there's less traffic in the suburbs but people who live there tend to cause more traffic in other areas like dt.
 
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I think safety is a big issue, but not the only one. For families to live downtown, you need to check a lot of boxes for it to be an option
-Both parents need to work downtown, or near downtown
-Close family also likely need to live close (most people with children love close to grandparents, uncles/aunts for child suppprt)
-Social network needs to live close (most people won't live downtown when their peers are mostly in the suburbs).
-Good schools (parents don't want to put kids in poorly rated inner city schools)
-Travel times (traffic of downtown makes it very difficult to commute during rush hours. Limits options for extracurricular activities or entertainment for parents).
-Housing prices (land is typically more expensive in the core and cheaper in the suburbs)
-Safety (Real and perceived. Just because homeless people wandering around might not be a threat to you, when kids are involved, the metric changes. Parents don't want to take the chance that there is a possibility of their kids being harmed)
-Parking....yes parking (other visitors need easy access to parking, otherwise other families are more reluctant to visit. Nothing like being in the center of the city and people reluctant to come downtown to visit.)

And then overall, what exactly wre the benefits to living downtown? Suburbs have more amenities, safety, less density, less traffic, more entertainment options. I'm confused why someone would want to live downtown unless they had no other choice with a family.

Being single, or without kids is a whole different story. Downtown just isn't practical for families.
West Oliver + townhomes = great for families. Generally if we could get more townhomes downtown it would drastically improve attractiveness for families
 
I think safety is a big issue, but not the only one. For families to live downtown, you need to check a lot of boxes for it to be an option
-Both parents need to work downtown, or near downtown
-Close family also likely need to live close (most people with children love close to grandparents, uncles/aunts for child suppprt)
-Social network needs to live close (most people won't live downtown when their peers are mostly in the suburbs).
-Good schools (parents don't want to put kids in poorly rated inner city schools)
-Travel times (traffic of downtown makes it very difficult to commute during rush hours. Limits options for extracurricular activities or entertainment for parents).
-Housing prices (land is typically more expensive in the core and cheaper in the suburbs)
-Safety (Real and perceived. Just because homeless people wandering around might not be a threat to you, when kids are involved, the metric changes. Parents don't want to take the chance that there is a possibility of their kids being harmed)
-Parking....yes parking (other visitors need easy access to parking, otherwise other families are more reluctant to visit. Nothing like being in the center of the city and people reluctant to come downtown to visit.)

And then overall, what exactly wre the benefits to living downtown? Suburbs have more amenities, safety, less density, less traffic, more entertainment options. I'm confused why someone would want to live downtown unless they had no other choice with a family.

Being single, or without kids is a whole different story. Downtown just isn't practical for families.
Wełl I have to disagree with most of your statements, as it sounds more like someone coming up with weak excuses to stay in the suburbs or someone who lives in a small town.
1.why do both parents need to work downtown? Its more convenient but not necessary.
2.Close families will be close regardless of proximity to living to each other. I was extremely close to my uncle, he lived in Calgary, my grandparents lived in southern Alberta, my moms siblings lived in the Philippines but all were very close.
3. Social Network is partially formed from where you live so eventually ones social network would consist of doentown neighbors. My social network lives all around the city, as I think most others do to.
4. There are good schools near the core and if there is more population there will be other schools. What do you consider a good school? As far as I can tell Victoria school is a great school and I know that St. Joseph's and St. Catherine's schools are great schools.
5. Travel times are a moot point if working downtown, if one has to travel out of the core the comute typically is easier due to traveling opposite to most other commuters. Also extra curricular activities, hmmmm. The Citadel, the Winspear, the AGA, the RAM, the convention center, Roger's Place, community rink at Roger's Place, downtown movie theater, the restaurants, ymca, central library, the macewan arts building and theater.
6. Housing prices may have an edge for now in the subburbs but add more family units and that may change.
7. Safety. I've had a few friends live in and around the core and when I've asked them about safety they all said that it was never as bad as it sounds. I also too believe that the more there are residents living, working, moving in the core, the safer the neighborhood gets.
8..visitor parking, there is decent free parking for visitors in buildings unless one wishes to throw large parties all the time.
Downtown/central living has a great many advantages as long as you have the mindset to accept it. If you don't want to live in an area, one can find all kind of excuses not to live there.
Oh one last issue, shopping. Currently there aren't a ton of retailers in the Edmonton core, but if a short train ride is ok, now there is Kingsway, Southgate, Bonnie Doon, Millwoods town center, and sooner than later WEM all along the LRT network.
 
I'm with Jason on most of his points, especially the school part. My wife is a teacher so she has a general idea of the difference between inner city schools and the schools around us in the suburbs. And since we have two little kids who will be in school soon enough, I defer to her when it comes to knowing which schools to send them to when the time comes.

Just because people don't agree with what you think doesn't mean they are wrong. I'm not a fan of the bike lanes but I also want to see our downtown thrive. I just choose not to live there for a lot of the reasons Jason mentioned in his post.
 
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Yikes, if the GTA is coming to a halt......doesn't bode well for us?
 
We are a long way from downtown being a common choice for families. But Oliver isn’t far at all. Some more townhomes would help, some better family/kid amenities would be cool (ex. Play centres, updated oliver park with a better playground/pool/rink, more daycares).

And oliver is pretty much downtown for the sake of the Edmonton discussion.

Safety is for-sure a top challenge. Schools too, although most schools centrally are open borders. So if you live downtown, riverdale isn’t far away and is one of the top schools for quality of teaching.

124st and westmount area up to inglewood etc is going to be very popular for families too. Which is great. We don’t need every family downtown proper. But close enough to easily access the shops, stores, etc is key. Outside the henday is the challenge cause those schools are overcrowded, getting transit there is brutal, and those families support local businesses a lot less than people centrally.
 
"Travel times (traffic of downtown makes it very difficult to commute during rush hours. Limits options for extracurricular activities or entertainment for parents)"

I work dt now and walk 5 blocks, but when I worked in Sherwood Park my commute was easy and fast because most people are driving into dt, not out of it. Same thing coming home.
Being central, I have great access to all areas.


"Parking....yes parking (other visitors need easy access to parking, otherwise other families are more reluctant to visit. Nothing like being in the center of the city and people reluctant to come downtown to visit.)"

My condo has visitor parking (as do many) and it's never a problem for visitors.


"Suburbs have more amenities, safety, less density, less traffic..."

I walk to grocery store, restaurants., movie theater, Citadel (which I went to Saturday), arena, rec centres/swimming pools etc. There is also child care and medical labs, and many doctors/specialists and churches/school, outdoor skating and all the fun family festivals dt.

Also, there's less traffic in the suburbs but people who live there tend to cause more traffic in other areas like dt.
Unless, there is an event on at Rogers, traffic in the evenings and weekends tends to be quite moderate to light downtown. Of course, if you are walking to some place nearby, traffic isn't that much of an issue.

I used to work on the south side and traveled by car from downtown - easiest commute ever! I was going in the opposite direction of most commuters.

Maybe I am fortunate, but the condo building I am in now has a lot of visitor parking. It is seldom full. It is above ground which is great for those who don't like parkades, but it has gate FOB access, so you do need to coordinate with guests coming. After you have been there once, you can easily get the hang of it.
 
"Travel times (traffic of downtown makes it very difficult to commute during rush hours. Limits options for extracurricular activities or entertainment for parents)"

I work dt now and walk 5 blocks, but when I worked in Sherwood Park my commute was easy and fast because most people are driving into dt, not out of it. Same thing coming home.
Being central, I have great access to all areas.
This is a really important point that I feel people miss. Living centrally means a lot less time driving, even if you have to commute because you get to go against the flow of traffic! It's so much faster!
We spend so much less time driving than our family members who live in the burbs, which means more time with kids.
You also end up being closer to family and social networks since for most people those end up being spread throughout the city and nothing requires you to drive all the way across the city, you are halfway to everywhere.

Also, I think parking is way overblown outside of a few spots. My neighborhood in Cromdale has a ton of street parking that is always available because most families have 1 car. Whereas its impossible to park at any of my families places in the burbs because every house has 3 vehicles and uses their garage for storage.

There are plenty of valid reasons for families not to located centrally; cost, limited family suited housing options, and safety perceptions being big ones. But when it comes to driving the common perception is the opposite of reality!
 
I think really more due to each of our perspectives. I live in millwoods but I wouldn't have had a problem being in the core too. Some are intimidated by the core, others aren't. Some want lots of room, some don't.
 

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