[Yeggy]

Safeway in Oliver (Jasper Ave and 122 st) and Loblaws in the ICE District send you their regards. Both in denser, busier and more complex places to operate an urban grocery store.

You are a curious person... will go out of line too defend a fairly radical transit prioritization, and breaking with the status quo, but here you are defending the status quo of big box grocery stores.

just pointing out realities. we have a long history of urban formats failing here. I want them to succeed but i dont see how that happens at this particular site with a save on, right there.

Maybe a urban drugstore, open late with some food offerings. some sort of entertainment destination.

im not going to waste a wish on a grocery store.

 

[occidentalcapital]

just pointing out realities. we have a long history of urban formats failing here. I want them to succeed but i dont see how that happens at this particular site with a save on, right there.

Maybe a urban drugstore, open late with some food offerings. some sort of entertainment destination.

im not going to waste a wish on a grocery store.

Long history? Are you talking about one sobeys location from 10 years ago? What other urban formats have failed?

 

[ChazYEG]

Long history? Are you talking about one sobeys location from 10 years ago? What other urban formats have failed?

The only two that come to mind are that Sobeys (chronically afflicted by bad product selection, no parking whatsoever, weird-ass layout) and the incredibly overpriced and niche Planet Organic, that was where Safeway is now in Oliver (and only actually closed because the whole chain went down)

 

[Yeggy]

Long history? Are you talking about one sobeys location from 10 years ago? What other urban formats have failed?

Planet Organic, Earths general, Family Foods, and however many other names it had, as well as one that went belly up in the 90’s Denalli’s or something. The name is escaping me. It was more akin to city market and was located on 109st near 76th.

Why am I so conservative on these formats, because I want them to be successful. Every time one is tried and fails it supports the case that the format is the issue, when really it was more a case of putting the cart before the horse.

 

[EtoV]

Also I dont think you are factoring in the logistics of putting a major grocery store in the middle of residential, the trucks, the traffic, the garbage.

Having grocery stores in residential areas is extremely common in basically every part of the world. The logistics seem difficult because North American companies are now used to using massive site, loading bays and trucks, but if we started building more urban/smaller grocers they would figure our the logistics.

 

[Yeggy]

Having grocery stores in residential areas is extremely common in basically every part of the world. The logistics seem difficult because North American companies are now used to using massive site, loading bays and trucks, but if we started building more urban/smaller grocers they would figure our the logistics.

Are they normally in the centre of, or the edge of?

I think you will find that very few are found at a community’s heart. Those spaces are normally reserved for schools and parks instead of driving a bunch of traffic through the community we make it accessibility along our transport corridors. Like the Save on food by the stadium is, even city market is found on the edge of Oliver.

This is the part of my pov that is being overlooked.

 

[Yeggy]

Lets zoom out to 10,000 feet and recognize that this area has an existing store and advocating for another while there are actual food deserts just down the road.

 

[buildings]

why are people so tied to the idea of the mega grocery store? The good folks in Manhattan get by with only 1 (one!) suburban format store (if it's even still there). The rest are neighbourhood block level bodegas and mid-sized stores like Gristeddes and D'agostinos. If you look at the Jasper Ave. Safeway, and take away the instore bakery and meat depts., squish down the self space, you'd have a store that fulfils 95% of the local's needs with a substanially smaller footprint.

 

[Yeggy]

why are people so tied to the idea of the mega grocery store? The good folks in Manhattan get by with only 1 (one!) suburban format store (if it's even still there). The rest are neighbourhood block level bodegas.

In Manhattan the local Bodega is often your fridge as well as kitchen. Manhattan specifically is a very different type of existence.

15 bodegas we love in New York right now

Did your favorite make the list?

www.timeout.com

 

[IanO]

Keep in mind that the original concept and zoning for this area had far more CRUs, including one spot intended for a market or grocery.

 

[ChazYEG]

Lets zoom out to 10,000 feet and recognize that this area has an existing store and advocating for another while there are actual food deserts just down the road.

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This is not a food desert, it's pretty much an actual desert.

 

[KyleJR]

It's been a while since the update; I renewed my lease for another year, so expect more construction progress pictures! A lot has been done, and they are finally erecting the structure on the northeast section. Now note this, they started to build today! And this is how much they got done so far, due to walls being prefabbed, all they were joining the walls together as they go! I highly can see they will have the building fully erected in a short time frame!

They started to lay out the first-floor slab for the south building, but they still have to pour the northwest section, which is likely to happen this week!

 

[Clearshades]

When a Big Mac is $18.00, I suspect dining out is going to start fading out. Wages for the mass has stood still for how long with no happy ending in the near distant future.

 

[EtoV]

Fast food is expensive, so don't bother building walkable commercial? Seems slightly short sighted, especially since there are plenty of businesses out there other than fast food/restaurants...

 

[David A]

Fast food is expensive, so don't bother building walkable commercial? Seems slightly short sighted, especially since there are plenty of businesses out there other than fast food/restaurants...

There is no shortage of coffee shops and restaurants in this city. How about some of the other goods and services people need? Like the things you have to drive all the way to the power centres on the edge of the city to get.