Gronk!
Senior Member
It's about a 20 minute walk from Stadium Yards to the Italian Centre.
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It's about a 20 minute walk from Stadium Yards to the Italian Centre.
Yeggy
Active Member
A 15 min means to have your services within 15 min. That would include where the train can get you in 15 min. Some hardliners limit it walk/bike but more liberal concepts factor in bus and car.
The key idea is a multi nodal city, not one with a singular “core”.
Also I dont think you are factoring in the logistics of putting a major grocery store in the middle of residential, the trucks, the traffic, the garbage.
To further point out the obvious
Gronk!
Senior Member
Actually, that has not escaped my notice. They can build an underground parkade underneath the grocery store that will be free to shoppers for 2 hours, similar to Loblaws Urban Markets in ICE District and the Brewery District. This parkade and grocery store can serve as the podium of a medium-rise apartment building that can serve as an extension of Stadium Yards.
ChazYEG
Senior Member
Safeway in Oliver (Jasper Ave and 122 st) and Loblaws in the ICE District send you their regards. Both in denser, busier and more complex places to operate an urban grocery store.
You are a curious person... will go out of line too defend a fairly radical transit prioritization, and breaking with the status quo, but here you are defending the status quo of big box grocery stores.
Yeggy
Active Member
just pointing out realities. we have a long history of urban formats failing here. I want them to succeed but i dont see how that happens at this particular site with a save on, right there.
Maybe a urban drugstore, open late with some food offerings. some sort of entertainment destination.
im not going to waste a wish on a grocery store.
occidentalcapital
Senior Member
Long history? Are you talking about one sobeys location from 10 years ago? What other urban formats have failed?
ChazYEG
Senior Member
The only two that come to mind are that Sobeys (chronically afflicted by bad product selection, no parking whatsoever, weird-ass layout) and the incredibly overpriced and niche Planet Organic, that was where Safeway is now in Oliver (and only actually closed because the whole chain went down)
Yeggy
Active Member
Planet Organic, Earths general, Family Foods, and however many other names it had, as well as one that went belly up in the 90’s Denalli’s or something. The name is escaping me. It was more akin to city market and was located on 109st near 76th.
Why am I so conservative on these formats, because I want them to be successful. Every time one is tried and fails it supports the case that the format is the issue, when really it was more a case of putting the cart before the horse.
EtoV
Active Member
Having grocery stores in residential areas is extremely common in basically every part of the world. The logistics seem difficult because North American companies are now used to using massive site, loading bays and trucks, but if we started building more urban/smaller grocers they would figure our the logistics.
Yeggy
Active Member
Are they normally in the centre of, or the edge of?
I think you will find that very few are found at a community’s heart. Those spaces are normally reserved for schools and parks instead of driving a bunch of traffic through the community we make it accessibility along our transport corridors. Like the Save on food by the stadium is, even city market is found on the edge of Oliver.
This is the part of my pov that is being overlooked.
Yeggy
Active Member
Lets zoom out to 10,000 feet and recognize that this area has an existing store and advocating for another while there are actual food deserts just down the road.
buildings
Active Member
why are people so tied to the idea of the mega grocery store? The good folks in Manhattan get by with only 1 (one!) suburban format store (if it's even still there). The rest are neighbourhood block level bodegas and mid-sized stores like Gristeddes and D'agostinos. If you look at the Jasper Ave. Safeway, and take away the instore bakery and meat depts., squish down the self space, you'd have a store that fulfils 95% of the local's needs with a substanially smaller footprint.
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Yeggy
Active Member
In Manhattan the local Bodega is often your fridge as well as kitchen. Manhattan specifically is a very different type of existence.
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IanO
Superstar
Keep in mind that the original concept and zoning for this area had far more CRUs, including one spot intended for a market or grocery.
ChazYEG
Senior Member
This is not a food desert, it's pretty much an actual desert.