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Re Hospitals:

The reason hospitals tend to locate close to each other is a phenomenon called clustering. Similar things occur with certain industries (high tech for example). It makes sense to have the cancer clinic near the hospital. Ronald McDonald House isn't where it is by accident. Some clusters form organically, while some are created artificially through policy decisions.

An example of this trying to be done purposefully is the Durham Region Consolidated Courthouse. By placing it in downtown Oshawa, the hope is that the presence of the courthouse will attract some law firms and other law-related businesses to locate in downtown.

Re Suburbs:

I have experienced both urban and suburban living. I grew up in the suburbs (Ottawa mind you, but suburbs are suburbs), but lived and worked in downtown Toronto for 5 years. There are two main things wrong with the suburbs: scale, and orientation.

Scale: "Traditional" neighbourhoods are built around pedestrians, so naturally the neighbourhoods are built at a scale so that most of the daily essentials are within a 5 minute walk. The suburbs were primarily designed around the car. The 5 minute rule still applies, but it has been replaced with a 5 minute drive instead of a 5 minute walk. The built form, the location of the necessities relative to where people live has all been blown up in scale, to the point where it is difficult to work at a human scale.

Orientation: "Traditional" neighbourhoods had a clear and defined focus point. It could be a single point (traditionally a Square), or could be a Main Street. Either way, there was a clear and defined orientation to the neighbourhood. This focus point was also likely the location of the primary transit connection to/from the neighbourhood. Current suburban neighbourhoods do not have these characteristics. The Main Street has been replaced with the shopping mall, which itself is really an inward-oriented main street.


Neither of these two issues are insurmountable. The suburbs shouldn't be looked at as this massive wasteland of tract housing, but rather as a collection of communities, albeit in many cases very poorly designed communities. When you break suburbs down to the neighbourhood scale, the task of making them more pedestrian and transit friendly becomes a more manageable task.

Creating defined neighbourhood centres with good access to transit, while it may be expensive in the short term, will be worth it. When given the proper catalyst (in this case transit), it's pretty amazing to see how neighbourhoods tend to re-orient themselves.


That's my rant. It's late, so I may read this tomorrow and it may not make perfect sense, but there it is. It's kind of hard to summarize my rebuttal to so many points in a single post.
 
Then sprawl is nothing to wring our hands about as it has been with us for a very long time.

Radiation has always been here too and we will never get rid of it. That doesn't mean you go down a path that creates more radiation.
 
I've seen a number of suburbanites and 905ers with the whole "why are things downtown?!?" philosophy, and it just doesn't make any sense.

"The hospital had workers from Burlington and Barrie! Patients from Sarnia and North Bay!" Well, if it was located in Burlington it would be less accessible to the worker in Barrie, and vice-versa. If the hospital was in Sarnia, it would be very inconvenient to the patient from North Bay.

"Somewhere other than downtown" or "in the 905" are NOT locations. Propose an actual location, and we can discuss how accessible that location really is.
 
Hospitals cluster together and get bigger because of economies of scale. The hospital node at University Avenue is one of the most renown in the world, and that clustering & capitalizing on efficiency likely has a lot to do with that position.
 
This thread is about using existing rail corridors..................let's stay on topic.
 
Haven't really been following this thread, but as controversial as it may be, using the existing rail corridors for the DRL might make some sense. While focusing it on major streets (Dundas West, Queen, Pape) would make a lot of sense, using the current railways could save a lot of money and make this project politically feasible. At the very least, it could use the railway to get the line down to Queen.

On topic, would having a half finished station under Queen help to reduce costs, or would so much work need to be done to it that it wouldn't save anything - if not cost more complete?
 
Haven't really been following this thread, but as controversial as it may be, using the existing rail corridors for the DRL might make some sense. While focusing it on major streets (Dundas West, Queen, Pape) would make a lot of sense, using the current railways could save a lot of money and make this project politically feasible. At the very least, it could use the railway to get the line down to Queen.

On topic, would having a half finished station under Queen help to reduce costs, or would so much work need to be done to it that it wouldn't save anything - if not cost more complete?

That half finished station under Queen is currently in use as part of the fair paid zone to switch between the northbound and southbound platforms. With respect to a line under Queen, it would most likely have to be cut and cover in the downtown core so, in theory, some modifications would be needed either way. But with a lot of the PATH being underground and crossing many downtown streets any tunnel through the core would be no simple task. The DRL, if built under Queen, King, Wellington, etc. would be quite the engineering project.

So as noted, the use of rail corridors would, IMO, help to eliminate some of the problems this line would face.
 
On topic, would having a half finished station under Queen help to reduce costs, or would so much work need to be done to it that it wouldn't save anything - if not cost more complete?

It is just a roughed in underground streetcar stop, quite far from being a half finished subway station. As mentioned above it's been partially repurposed anyway. I can't see it's existence having a material impact on the cost of the line or being a factor in choosing the route or station location.
 
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