nfitz
Superstar
At the same time, 36 minutes is faster than the 38 minutes they published last year.
Someone should dig out the EA, and see what it said in terms of travel times.
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- Thread starter W. K. Lis
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Someone should dig out the EA, and see what it said in terms of travel times.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
I always had in my head that Finch was supposed to have a ~30 minute travel time, or around 21km/h average speed.
T3G
Senior Member
This hasn't stopped them from bungling up their streetcar network. I think many people vastly overestimate how much institutions and companies care about the wrath of little people.
crs1026
Superstar
Well now, here's a rabbit hole. I went looking for the original TPAP.
Metrolinx' link only points to the TPAP for the MSF.
The original TPAP for the route itself was a Transit City document. I found it on Steve Munro's web site.
It proposed a velocity of 22-23 km/h but that was predicated on a route that extended all the way to Yonge St.
Metrolinx did indeed state 38 minutes in their communications.
What happened over the years, I don't have the time to research.
- Paul
Metrolinx' link only points to the TPAP for the MSF.
The original TPAP for the route itself was a Transit City document. I found it on Steve Munro's web site.
It proposed a velocity of 22-23 km/h but that was predicated on a route that extended all the way to Yonge St.
Metrolinx did indeed state 38 minutes in their communications.
What happened over the years, I don't have the time to research.
- Paul
Rainforest
Senior Member
The riders won't be too happy, but they won't be very angry either. After all, LRT is better than mixed-traffic bus, it is more reliable and more spacious.
The fact that we are spending the better half of a billion on this line and not getting the promised speed, isn't the riders fault and is not their problem.
However, any new suburban LRT projects in this city will go on hold. Until the TTC figures out how to run dedicated-lanes LRTs faster than the mixed-traffic buses.
Rainforest
Senior Member
Hopefully, before the end of this year we will have the measured travel time
Beats any EA.
Parkdalian
Senior Member
As someone who has taken the Finch bus from Humber to Yonge, 36 minutes will be a dream in comparison to what it is now.
It is funny how apocalyptic people on this forum get about the potential speeds of the LRT lines when they haven't even opened. People will rise up! Rexdale will burn! The streets will run red with blood because the average speed of the LRT is x kph instead of y kph!
No, nobody will rise up. It will be an annoyance that it is not faster, but many people will be happy with the improved transit.
It is funny how apocalyptic people on this forum get about the potential speeds of the LRT lines when they haven't even opened. People will rise up! Rexdale will burn! The streets will run red with blood because the average speed of the LRT is x kph instead of y kph!
No, nobody will rise up. It will be an annoyance that it is not faster, but many people will be happy with the improved transit.
DirectionNorth
Active Member
Toronto (təˈɹɑnoʊ), verb: to settle and make excuses for the status quo, rather than expend extra effort for a good solution.
It’s great to see improved transit, but given the $1.2 billion capital cost and $2.5 billion total cost, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to wonder if we can create faster travel times than a medium-speed cyclist on our transit lines.
Higher speed means less operating costs (need less vehicles for a certain frequency), higher ridership, and better bang for buck on our transit investments.
Given the TTC’s very poor record of operating street-level rail transit at a decent speed, I don’t think some critical questions about their procedures is unwarranted.
Rainforest
Senior Member
Nobody will rise up. Lines under construction now, will get completed and will begin operating.
Future planning is the issue, though. 16 kph is materially different from 23 kph. The appeal of new LRT projects will be negatively affected, if 16 kph is all the TTC can get from them.
Although, let's wait for the beginning of operation. Sometimes the planners miscalculate the operational params, perhaps the actual speed will be closer to 23 kph.
Future planning is the issue, though. 16 kph is materially different from 23 kph. The appeal of new LRT projects will be negatively affected, if 16 kph is all the TTC can get from them.
Although, let's wait for the beginning of operation. Sometimes the planners miscalculate the operational params, perhaps the actual speed will be closer to 23 kph.
INTz
Active Member
Ward8
Active Member
I'm under the impression most of the problems are operational and could be fixed at little to no cost correct? With proper signal priority and removing most slow orders through intersections they could probably improve the average time by 15-20% no? I'm speculating, but the stop spacing is reasonable and there aren't many switches to impede speed at intersections. This doesn't have the infrastructural issues of a spadina or st clair.
This is my impression too having ridden the 36 a lot many years ago. It was usually about an hour long bus ride in peak hours. I predict the local ridership will be very happy with the Finch LRT when its done even though it could and should be much faster.
crs1026
Superstar
Wondering where and when the traffic priority was deleted?
- Paul
- Paul
smallspy
Senior Member
The bus on Finch West, between the end points of the LRT, currently takes 45 minutes or more.
In what world is 36 (or 38) minutes slower than 45?
Dan
toaster29
Active Member
This post really doesn't sit well with me. This "this is good enough for the people of Rexdale" has a hint of something... to it. We aren't making the downtown crowd along the Yonge corridor, or along Boor, wait these kind of times/spdees, but for the people of Rexdale, "yeah, let em wait." instead of wanting better for the area and riders.
sixrings
Senior Member
As a former downtown resident I can assure you many people who live downtown rarely if ever take the subway and are more likely to use the streetcar and or walk. The subway is to help people from the suburbs get into downtown.