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khristopher said:
Stay out of the area? PEOPLE LIVE HERE! I LIVE HERE! I need to get groceries and live like everyone else in this world too. What am I supposed to do, lock my door, close my blinds, and not leave my house? Not only that, but people were told not to go to the security zone. Queen and Spadina is NOT the security zone. Nowhere near it!
WHy do people like you not understand that many of these people were nothing to do with the protests or the march down Queen. They were people who were on their way home from shopping, or whatever they were doing today. There were even a couple of guys who were watching the soccer game and got caught up in everything and suddenly found themselves surrounded by riot police.
And how dare you speak for those that were arrested and detained! You presume to know how they felt.
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Same as I feel, plus well stated (and factual).

nfitz said:
Ah, so you had a dangerous weapon! :)
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Oh yes, we're such a threat her and I!

 
khristopher said:
Wow there are some really oblivious and out of touch people posting in this thread. Maybe they should move to China if they love the feeling of having no freedom so much.

What has happened today/tonight in Toronto is disgusting. Being threatened to be put in jail and arrested for not showing ID when you are nowhere near the security zone (5 metres), is harassment in my opinion. So is being picked out of a crowd, just because you happened to decide to wear black jeans or a black shirt that day.

What we saw today was not freedom. I don't think I can say we live in a free country anymore.
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While I don't agree with the arrests of innocent non-violent protesters, you have to understand that this is a standard practice. In Canada, you are required by law to be able to identify yourself (either through ID, or by somebody else standing guarantor). This is particularly the case for restricted areas, such as federal buildings, military bases, sensitive research facilities, and restricted public areas like the G8/G20 zone.

Try entering a federal building in Ottawa without ID. If you were persistent, you'd get the same treatment.
 
nfitz said:
I don't see any need to post bullshit like that ... it's quite clear from the video, that those who were running crazy destroying stuff on Saturday weren't police. Making such claims is absurd.
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Just sharing what someone sent me. Thing is, this kind of stuff is being circulated and people believe it. The person who sent it to me is someone I had always considered highly intelligent and who is active in political circles.
 
Jonny5 said:
The preferred term is champagne socialist, but in a crunch, limousine liberal is acceptable.
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Retarded label, must have been a retarded conservative who came up with that. Don't drink champagne, I prefer whiskey. Don't drive a limo; prefer my reliable & fuel-efficient Toyota.

I suppose you were trying to be funny... stick with your day job (if you have one)
 
kEiThZ said:
While I don't agree with the arrests of innocent non-violent protesters, you have to understand that this is a standard practice. In Canada, you are required by law to be able to identify yourself (either through ID, or by somebody else standing guarantor). This is particularly the case for restricted areas, such as federal buildings, military bases, sensitive research facilities, and restricted public areas like the G8/G20 zone.

Try entering a federal building in Ottawa without ID. If you were persistent, you'd get the same treatment.
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I don't know if you know the region being zoned. The inner zone north side is Front St. Outer zone region on north side is Wellington. Inner barrier west end is York St. Outer barrier is Bay St. The police were rounding people on Queen St. and Yonge St.

As I understood, Eaton Centre was open and so as the Bay. There was even coupons at the hotels to promote sales at the Bay $20 off $75. If people weren't suppose to be in that area, the police should have informed the department stores to close up. And all the stores along Queen St and Yonge St.

I think the issue was that the police didn't arrest people who were armed and breaking the law on Saturday until things got really out of hand. However they were arresting and IDing everyone on site on Sunday who were unarmed and bystanders.

What were the police doing between 3:35 and 4:05 (the interval the first police car was smashed)
http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/06/27/violence-on-torontos-streets-how-did-it-happen/#more-12605

Another article describing the transgression of what happened on Saturday.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/06/28/protesting-as-an-extreme-sport/#more-12650
 
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kEiThZ said:
I am wondering if this was taken out of context, having seen it a few times. Were the police trying to push the protesters back down the street so that property on the street was preserved?
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I saw the rooftop version of that clip, which had a little more at the beginning and end, and a larger field of view.
There's nothing to take it out of context... it is what it is.

Seriously, how many times do we need to re-iterate this point? The crowd was doing NOTHING BAD. If we repeat this a million times, will you get the point?


Anyways, there's a fairly decent editorial this morn @ TheStar

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/edit...l-spectacle-failed-a-city-and-its-people?bn=1

What is the critical lesson?

Don’t even try to hold international political conferences with this kind of explosive ideological charge in the heart of a major urban centre. You sacrifice either the safety of the politicians or the safety of the city.

The idea that this was an effective way to show off Toronto to foreign guests is bewilderingly stupid.

Canadian authorities created a city no citizen could recognize and no visitor could admire. Then, they allowed a pack of brutes to trash it.
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ok, lets deal with facts. We have observed the vandalism inflicted by the children in black.

For those upset at perceived police brutality I would like evidence presented. Dramatic images/video of police charging forward or hauling people off does not qualify. I mean actual injuries beyond the odd bruised shin or hurt feelings.

With regards people held in detention - any beatings, any disappearances? Of course not.

I am sure there are people on this thread from other countries who can attest to what police brutality actually looks like. It doesn't look like what i saw yesterday.
 
PinkLucy said:
It's the boots. That's how you can tell when you've got police infiltrators in the crowd. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19928
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That's absurd...

Those kids don't look anything like an officer.. i've seen wider shoulders on a runway model... to be a Plain clothes officer, you have to be a 1st level constable (after 4 years of general duties, etc etc). and then, apply...

If you see how these 'anachirst' move. i.e. the lack of athleticism in the way they ,run, break windows, stomp on cars...etc etc...

it's pretty obvious that they are a bunch of fringe kids with too many childhood issues.
 
Buildup: Seriously? there's post after post of examples. I'm not sure if you're just illiterate or ignorant. But since you obviously have turned a blind-eye to page after page of examples here's a couple:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/06/28/g20-rosenfeld-police.html
http://rabble.ca/news/2010/06/eyewitness-accounts-police-brutality-and-indiscriminate-arrests
http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/06/27/12572/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...orm-penned-in-at-queen-street/article1621255/

Brutality is anything that goes beyond what you should expect from the police. It's deplorable that you think people need to die or have serious life-threatening injuries or that we need a Tianaman Square type of incident for the actions of this weekend to be considered brutality. For the innocent people who were attacked, detained and so on, the brutality was real, even if you and your ignorance doesn't think so.
 
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jn_12 said:
Brutality is anything that goes beyond what you should expect from the police. It's deplorable that you think people need to die or have serious life-threatening injuries or that we need a Tianaman Square type of incident for the actions of this weekend to be considered brutality. For the innocent people who were attacked, detained and so on, the brutality was real, even if you and your ignorance doesn't think so.
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Brutality :confused:.... ' ohh, my heart bleeds for them',:rolleyes:
 
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