lenaitch
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That's CN's only route to the port of Thunder Bay and the Fall grain harvest in the prairies is just getting underway.
I’m really curious what happened. Bridges usually don’t collapse, especially without carrying any loads…
There appears to be a camera on the pole to the right so hopefully they will have some images. Pure speculation but it appears to me that the counterweight support collapsed and when the bridge deck slammed down it bend its back.From here:
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Railway bridge collapses near Fort Frances
A pile of twisted metal lies at one end of a bridge that connects the CN network to the Port of Thunder Baywww.nwonewswatch.com
This:
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Not a complete answer, but perhaps a clue........
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From here:
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Railway bridge collapses near Fort Frances
A pile of twisted metal lies at one end of a bridge that connects the CN network to the Port of Thunder Baywww.nwonewswatch.com
This:
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Not a complete answer, but perhaps a clue........
Another pic:
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Source: https://www.fox21online.com/content...29-3412409745726460-6104086313984956613-n.jpg
Pic courtesy Rainy Lake Property Owners Association
The last decade has been showing the 2 main rail operators that an abandoned line might have been better to keep. The question is whether for these one off situations whether it would have actually been worth keeping. Only the bean counters really know.I know it is better business to have the railways abandon underused subdivisions and not just keep them for a "what if" scenario, however when the "what if" happens an alternative route looks very business savy. Good luck to CN and the grain farmers.
I hope Transport Canada uses this as a way to update the maintenance standards of all rail lines.Imagine if that was when a train was crossing? Even though it likely would have been grain or other things like that, it still could have caused an environmental disaster.
The last decade has been showing the 2 main rail operators that an abandoned line might have been better to keep. The question is whether for these one off situations whether it would have actually been worth keeping. Only the bean counters really know.
There are a lot of yet-to-be-proven assumptions being made alleging that the bridge (and by extension, the whole line) was under-maintained. We should wait for the official report to see whether this was the case.
This was, however, a pretty old bridge. One obvious question would be, how many equally old railway bridges are there in the country and how similar would their risk of failure be. I would bet the investigators will consider that question.
When the FN blockades happened,and CN rerouted over the ONR into Northern Quebec, CP did not also do that. Hopefully CP will allow CN to detour, but that remains to be seen.How is this relevant here? There are in fact two rail lines between Winnipeg and Thunder Bay. Detours on CP are quite likely.
- Paul
Canada, both federally and provincially, along with other governments, has downloaded a lot of regulatory oversight to industry under the guise of a Safety Management System, which essentially puts the fox in charge of the henhouse. Much of the actual, physical, on-site oversight has been reduced to paper audits.Maintenance also includes inspections. Maybe this will have them change the frequency of those inspections.
I don't recall that CP was blocked, or if they were, it wasn't for long.When the FN blockades happened,and CN rerouted over the ONR into Northern Quebec, CP did not also do that. Hopefully CP will allow CN to detour, but that remains to be seen.
Canada, both federally and provincially, along with other governments, has downloaded a lot of regulatory oversight to industry under the guise of a Safety Management System, which essentially puts the fox in charge of the henhouse. Much of the actual, physical, on-site oversight has been reduced to paper audits.
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You are right. I thought it was both of them as they were close to each other. It was just CN.I don't recall that CP was blocked, or if they were, it wasn't for long.
Not a chance. This is hardly the first infrastructure-related incident and the government loves it because it shifts responsibility and allows them to have fewer field staff. There website isn't as clear as it used to be but I can't find any indication the TSB has opened an incident on this.The question is whether this is enough to get the fox out of the henhouse. We shall see.
When was the last time a bridge collapsed?Not a chance. This is hardly the first infrastructure-related incident and the government loves it because it shifts responsibility and allows them to have fewer field staff. There website isn't as clear as it used to be but I can't find any indication the TSB has opened an incident on this.
This, in relation to airline safety. I get that it is a union perspective but the ICAO audit isn't flattering.
I'm all for encouraging a 'safety culture', but would you want restaurants posting their own inspection cards?
It's like every time someone responds to you it just goes in one ear and out the other. Did anything @lenaitch say to you even register with you? He pretty much answered your "question" bang on.When was the last time a bridge collapsed?
When was the last time a rail bridge collapsed?
I do have my doubts much will change,but it would be nice.
I ask because it is not something that happens often, as apposed to the crashes that used to happen with airlines and the food poisonings.It's like every time someone responds to you it just goes in one ear and out the other. Did anything @lenaitch say to you even register with you? He pretty much answered your "question" bang on.
User @micheal_can only ever hears what he wants to hear, which is why most of us have blocked him here, in absence of mods who are willing to save us from his relentless trolling like they already did over on Skyscraperpage…It's like every time someone responds to you it just goes in one ear and out the other. Did anything @lenaitch say to you even register with you? He pretty much answered your "question" bang on.