[nfitz]

What do you mean about no fare integration between UPX and Go. If you take the UPX train to another stop other then the airport you pay the same as you would on a gao tarin from those stops

That's not fare integration. That's just the fare.

Fare integration, is when you arrive at Union from Pearson, and then take a GO Train - to say Danforth - without having to pay an entirely new full fare.

(Interestingly, both times I've done that, I've seen another passenger getting off at Danforth with luggage, that I saw on the Pearson train.)

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

That's not fare integration. That's just the fare.

Fare integration, is when you arrive at Union from Pearson, and then take a GO Train - to say Danforth - without having to pay an entirely new full fare.

(Interestingly, both times I've done that, I've seen another passenger getting off at Danforth with luggage, that I saw on the Pearson train.)

and your point is what? UPX has sperte fares because it was designed as an airport express train it just happens to charge go train fares because people complained about the cost of it and the fare got reduced. It was never supposed to be local service that some poel seem to think it is. It was originally designed to help business people get to and from Pearson International airport to downtown instead of them taking an bus or taxi cab, or limo.

Another reason why UPX is treated differently to and from the airport is because of the airport fess associated with it. The GTAA charges fees fro transportation to pick up at the airport.That's why you typically only see limo serves picking poel up at the airport as they all have a licence with them to pick up. Alos that's' why you don't see all cab companies picking up at the airport either and why Uber isn't allowed to pick up at the airport. Only specifically designated vehicles are allowed at the airport, essentially to prevent traffic from blocking roadways so that people can pick up and drop off passengers easier. Tour buses actually have to go to a special lot and wait to be called in before they can start loading passengers.

 

[Woodbridge_Heights]

And Concord GO (Barrie Line at Hwy 7) would have provided valuable integration with the Viva Highway 7 rapidway, AND still satisfied Del Duca's Vaughan constituents. Why go with Kirby over Concord?

Nimby's in the area who want their community to remain the same as it was 75 yrs ago. Despite low density industrial and sprawl sprouting up all around them.

When you ask why we can't have nice things in Toronto this is why. There are communities that would kill for transit connections and then there are others that spit in the face of it.

 

[amnesiajune]

And Concord GO (Barrie Line at Hwy 7) would have provided valuable integration with the Viva Highway 7 rapidway, AND still satisfied Del Duca's Vaughan constituents. Why go with Kirby over Concord?

There's no Viva stop at Highway 7 and Bowes. There's not even a rapidway there, since it's impossible to build one without rebuilding the rail bridge. It would also be pretty expensive to build a Go Train Station since it would certainly require expropriating part of at least five different industrial properties. And even if you did all that, it would be barely 3 kilometers away from a subway station that also takes you to Union - the train would be ~15 minutes faster but the subway trains would be at least 3-4 times more frequent.

 

[ShonTron]

There's no Viva stop at Highway 7 and Bowes. There's not even a rapidway there, since it's impossible to build one without rebuilding the rail bridge. It would also be pretty expensive to build a Go Train Station since it would certainly require expropriating part of at least five different industrial properties. And even if you did all that, it would be barely 3 kilometers away from a subway station that also takes you to Union - the train would be ~15 minutes faster but the subway trains would be at least 3-4 times more frequent.

The rail bridge could use reconstruction, especially if there's a GO RER station going in. Platforms should span the bridge, and have direct access to the bus stops. And what about commuters from the north? If Vaughan wants to promote its so-called "Metropolitan Centre" it needs transit links in all directions, not just south to Union.

 

[rbt]

Nice deflection.

Indeed, well done Tory.

The truth is really messy to convey. Since TTC won't commit to running buses to that station (funding) and the city hasn't committed to subsidize GO fares from that station, the Metrolinx report assumes neither will be true.

Tory, if re-elected, has some direct control over whether the assumptions made by the Metrolinx report are correct; and changing those assumptions results in wildly different ridership projections.

But, even if Tory believes he will act differently than Metrolinx staff expect (provide funding versus not providing funding), he's wise not to commit until his other pet project (SSE) is tendered.

 

[nfitz]

and your point is what?

My point is that you don't understand what fare integration is.

UPX has sperte fares

I have no idea what a sperte fare is. Come on, at least use a browser with spell check. I'm not sure what the rest of your point is about - it doesn't address my comment about fare integration - which was neither in favour or against.

 

[amnesiajune]

Platforms should span the bridge, and have direct access to the bus stops.

In that case, you wouldn't just need to tear down and rebuild a bridge that's used dozens of times per day and expropriate parts of a few industrial facilities, but you'd also need to expropriate portions of a dozen houses.

And what about commuters from the north?

They get off at the Maple station and take Viva Silver down to the bus terminal at VMC.

 

[Edward Skira]

Media Advisory

Minister of Transportation to Make an Announcement
June 20, 2017

Steven Del Duca, Minister of Transportation, and Han Dong, MPP for Trinity-Spadina, will make an announcement. They will be joined by John Tory, Mayor of Toronto, John Jensen, CEO of Metrolinx, Kevin Shannahan, CEO of Hines Canada and Daniel Fournier, Chairman and CEO of Ivanhoé Cambridge.

Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2017

Time: 9:30 a.m.

Location: 81 Bay Street

Toronto

 

[ShonTron]

In that case, you wouldn't just need to tear down and rebuild a bridge that's used dozens of times per day and expropriate parts of a few industrial facilities, but you'd also need to expropriate portions of a dozen houses.

So what? Metrolinx bought a few houses and office buildings in Downtown Brampton, and in the process of ripping them down, to expand its free parking.

 

[Allandale25]

From Oliver Moore: "Del Duca, Tory and others to hold media event tomorrow ayem at site of new bus terminal/CIBC complex. Put your money on a ground-breaking"

Media Advisory

Minister of Transportation to Make an Announcement
June 20, 2017

Steven Del Duca, Minister of Transportation, and Han Dong, MPP for Trinity-Spadina, will make an announcement. They will be joined by John Tory, Mayor of Toronto, John Jensen, CEO of Metrolinx, Kevin Shannahan, CEO of Hines Canada and Daniel Fournier, Chairman and CEO of Ivanhoé Cambridge.

Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2017

Time: 9:30 a.m.

Location: 81 Bay Street

Toronto

 

[Edward Skira]

From Oliver Moore: "Del Duca, Tory and others to hold media event tomorrow ayem at site of new bus terminal/CIBC complex. Put your money on a ground-breaking"

For those of you who don't spend time in the Buildings section.

http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/thread...idge-wilkinson-eyre.674/page-116#post-1232464

 

[crs1026]

For those of you who don't spend time in the Buildings section.

http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/thread...idge-wilkinson-eyre.674/page-116#post-1232464

They brought in all that fill just for a photo op ????

This is where I rant about the media having a conflict of interest. The more knowledgeable journalists know that's a waste of money that will find its way back to the taxpayer. But - it will undoubtedly create a more spectacular photo op, and that sells more papers and generates better ratings. So - they and their publishers/editors say nothing and enjoy the view. The media and the politicos have a codependency that aligns them against the taxpayer. So much for journalism claiming to be 'for the people'. Journalism and politics and theatre are all sides of the same coin.

Sorry, rant over.

- Paul

 

[amnesiajune]

They brought in all that fill just for a photo op ????

Presumably the developer paid for that, not the city or "the taxpayer" (unless said taxpayer happens to have an account at CIBC). It's not really uncommon for this sort of ceremonial stuff to happen when a major bank is building new headquarters, and it's not uncommon for the Mayor and Minister of Transportation to show up when a developer is setting aside a ton of space for their respective public transit systems.

 

[crs1026]

Presumably the developer paid for that, not the city or "the taxpayer" (unless said taxpayer happens to have an account at CIBC). It's not really uncommon for this sort of ceremonial stuff to happen when a major bank is building new headquarters, and it's not uncommon for the Mayor and Minister of Transportation to show up when a developer is setting aside a ton of space for their respective public transit systems.

...... and the puts and takes of the accounting don't leave GO somehow footing the bill for this?

- Paul