Allandale25
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Good point. I'll copy it there so that thread can be updated.
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Good point. I'll copy it there so that thread can be updated.
raptor
Senior Member
salsa
Senior Member
Your government at work.
“Two new stations — one in Transportation Minister Steven Del Duca’s riding, the other championed by Toronto Mayor John Tory — were approved despite an internal report advising both stops should not be built, the Star has learned.”
“A detailed rating in the report shows that Kirby ranked last out of seven proposed new stations on the Barrie line. The proposed station "does not generate any benefits related to vehicle kilometres travelled, vehicle operating cost savings, decongestion on the road network, safety impacts or environmental impacts," the summary said.”
“Metrolinx declined to answer specific questions the Star put to the agency, including why the summary report wasn’t made public, what role the minister and mayor played in getting the two stations approved, or how the public can have confidence that the agency is spending taxpayers’ money on evidence-based transit decisions given that advice in the summary report wasn’t followed.”
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...stions-about-approval-of-new-go-stations.html
“Two new stations — one in Transportation Minister Steven Del Duca’s riding, the other championed by Toronto Mayor John Tory — were approved despite an internal report advising both stops should not be built, the Star has learned.”
“A detailed rating in the report shows that Kirby ranked last out of seven proposed new stations on the Barrie line. The proposed station "does not generate any benefits related to vehicle kilometres travelled, vehicle operating cost savings, decongestion on the road network, safety impacts or environmental impacts," the summary said.”
“Metrolinx declined to answer specific questions the Star put to the agency, including why the summary report wasn’t made public, what role the minister and mayor played in getting the two stations approved, or how the public can have confidence that the agency is spending taxpayers’ money on evidence-based transit decisions given that advice in the summary report wasn’t followed.”
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...stions-about-approval-of-new-go-stations.html
TOareaFan
Superstar
The Star has to lay off on this.....afterall, this is a government with money just lying around looking to do stuff with and with all the other transit issues in the province solved....what were the Kirby moneys supposed to be spent on.
salsa
Senior Member
Good point. Under the Wynne-Del Duca administration, the entire GTA is now fully connected and served by an abundance of transit. Therefore now we can move on to building transit for communities that don't exist yet.
amnesiajune
Senior Member
If Metrolinx is serious about fare integration, the density in the surrounding area is pretty irrelevant since most of the station's ridership would come from people transferring to/from the 54 bus.
Amare
Senior Member
Del Duca and Wynne are an absolute embarrassment. So while we continue to build transit in communities that dont even exist yet, other communities with the largest densities in the entire country get ignored *cough* Humber Bay *cough*.
Megaton327
Senior Member
And Concord GO (Barrie Line at Hwy 7) would have provided valuable integration with the Viva Highway 7 rapidway, AND still satisfied Del Duca's Vaughan constituents. Why go with Kirby over Concord?
nfitz
Superstar
Presumably the developer constituents who own the undeveloped land in Kirby provide bigger "contributions" to Del Duca than residents in Concord.
lead82
Senior Member
Transit in Ontario is very political. Transit goes where the votes go. The new subdivision out in pristine King farmland will sell for much higher if a GO station was built there. What I don't get is why it costs $100M to build 1 station. That's insane. It's a small building and a parking lot. It's not an intermodal or underground terminal. Why such exhorbitsnt costs?
The Liberals RER plan will fail not because of funding but because they talk a good game about RER but continue to build the same commuter rail stations as before where the only way to get there is to drive.
The developers have bought his vote. Just like in 2006 they bought Greg Sorbaras vote to extend the subway to VMC.
The Liberals RER plan will fail not because of funding but because they talk a good game about RER but continue to build the same commuter rail stations as before where the only way to get there is to drive.
The developers have bought his vote. Just like in 2006 they bought Greg Sorbaras vote to extend the subway to VMC.
rbt
Senior Member
I don't disagree BUT even a simple pedestrian tunnel (no platform, building, etc.) under the tracks as tendered for other Barrie line stations is $5.5M (so for this station it'll be more like $7M due to inflation). I couldn't say why it costs that much; just that it seems to be consistent every time Metrolinx tenders something despite multiple bidders for the work.
dowlingm
Senior Member
Metrolinx lectures TTC about fare integration when there is none between GO and UPX - two Metrolinx owned services
lead82
Senior Member
rbt
Senior Member
Okay, so you believe up to $40M for construction costs. Now add land, TPAP/study overhead, and engineering to get to the point where you can issue that $40M tender.
lead82
Senior Member
TPAP should be included in the $40M. How much design is required for a platform, a small building, a parking lot and a pedestrian tunnel to cross under. The hardest part here is building the elevators or ramps for accessibility. $40M is already a very generous number.