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The really sad thing about this whole London GO fiasco, is that it gives QP the excuse not to provide a real GO service to the City because Londoners won't use it.

This is 100% the result of creating a GO system on the assumption that London itself has no commuters and people in London only want to get to Toronto. NOBODY in London commutes to Toronto. They may go one or twice a week but VIA would get them there is nearly half the time. This is what happens when you put a Torontonian in charge of transit for London.

London's situation for a local commuter GO service is ideal. It has rail lines radiating out of the city in every direction. To the north St.Mary's with 8k and Stratford with 34k. To the west Strathroy with 16k and Komoka/Kilworth with 3. To the east, Dorchester with 5k, Ingersol with 14k, and Woodstock with 46. To the south there is nearby St.Thomas with 43k. All this without London having any form of urban expressway that comes even remotely close to the downtown and London in general having inadequate roads and horrific. traffic. As an example, if you go to Google maps you will see that from Ingersol to downtown is 36 minutes driving and from Strathroy 38 minutes but with even slow VIA it's only 21 minutes. This doesn't make commuter rail time competitive but rather a HUGE time advantage.

The VIA station is right downtown an a short block from the BRT Downtown Loop easily connecting the big 3 employers in London........ huge Western, Fanshawe {the 6th largest college in the country} and SWO's largest hospital, the London Health Sciences Centre.

GO commuter would be very successful in London which is one of the fastest growing Metros in the country.............shame they didn't bother to ask Londoners what THEY wanted.
 
The really sad thing about this whole London GO fiasco, is that it gives QP the excuse not to provide a real GO service to the City because Londoners won't use it.

This is 100% the result of creating a GO system on the assumption that London itself has no commuters and people in London only want to get to Toronto. NOBODY in London commutes to Toronto. They may go one or twice a week but VIA would get them there is nearly half the time. This is what happens when you put a Torontonian in charge of transit for London.

London's situation for a local commuter GO service is ideal. It has rail lines radiating out of the city in every direction. To the north St.Mary's with 8k and Stratford with 34k. To the west Strathroy with 16k and Komoka/Kilworth with 3. To the east, Dorchester with 5k, Ingersol with 14k, and Woodstock with 46. To the south there is nearby St.Thomas with 43k. All this without London having any form of urban expressway that comes even remotely close to the downtown and London in general having inadequate roads and horrific. traffic. As an example, if you go to Google maps you will see that from Ingersol to downtown is 36 minutes driving and from Strathroy 38 minutes but with even slow VIA it's only 21 minutes. This doesn't make commuter rail time competitive but rather a HUGE time advantage.

The VIA station is right downtown an a short block from the BRT Downtown Loop easily connecting the big 3 employers in London........ huge Western, Fanshawe {the 6th largest college in the country} and SWO's largest hospital, the London Health Sciences Centre.

GO commuter would be very successful in London which is one of the fastest growing Metros in the country.............shame they didn't bother to ask Londoners what THEY wanted.
With those kinds of populations, it would be better to use frequent BRT's like Brampton.
 
The really sad thing about this whole London GO fiasco, is that it gives QP the excuse not to provide a real GO service to the City because Londoners won't use it.

This is 100% the result of creating a GO system on the assumption that London itself has no commuters and people in London only want to get to Toronto. NOBODY in London commutes to Toronto. They may go one or twice a week but VIA would get them there is nearly half the time. This is what happens when you put a Torontonian in charge of transit for London.
You have already expressed your frustration many times on this forum and it's not going to change anything. GO shouldn't have gone to London in the first place. It's too far to be a satellite or a bedroom community of Toronto. If they cancel this service after its failure, it won't be a loss to anyone.
 
^^ But it will be a loss to Londoners and it's commuters. Certainly not because this useless service is gone because if it wasn't for the media no one in London would even notice. The problem is that it could give QP an excuse not to provide Londoners with a truly useful and effective commuter rail network for many decades to come. QP will use this as an example that "they gave it the old college try" but Londoners didn't want the service.
 
VIA 84 covered Kitchener - Guelph in 15 minutes today (avg speed: 88 km/h):
Depart Kitchener 12:07 (3 min late)
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Arrive Guelph 12:22 (2 min early)
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Times are 6h off because my computer is set to Central European time

This was really a best-case scenario: the train departed Kitchener late and there were no delays en route other than the 15 mph slow order at Lancaster. I still think the January 2021 GO timetables will have an 18-19 minute travel time from Kitchener to Guelph, including padding and the dwell in Guelph.
Made a speed comparison video of before the speed restrictions being lifted and after
 
^^ But it will be a loss to Londoners and it's commuters. Certainly not because this useless service is gone because if it wasn't for the media no one in London would even notice. The problem is that it could give QP an excuse not to provide Londoners with a truly useful and effective commuter rail network for many decades to come. QP will use this as an example that "they gave it the old college try" but Londoners didn't want the service.
London can do a lot more things before it dreams of a regional rail service radiating out of the city. A city of under 500,000 should rather focus on building a solid bus network. Not even Vancouver has a regional rail system except one line.
 
London can do a lot more things before it dreams of a regional rail service radiating out of the city. A city of under 500,000 should rather focus on building a solid bus network. Not even Vancouver has a regional rail system except one line.

I wonder if a factor in that is how many of the lines in Vancouver and its region are key lines for CP/CN. The GTHA has certainly benefited from a the lines GO was able to buy and even before that, the geographical flexible to move freight out of the downtown...

cc @crs1026
 
Inb4 Del Duca pledges to cancel the Ontario Line

I'm assuming you realize this; but for clarity for other posters, the Small's Creek issue is unrelated to the Ontario Line; but rather to the GO LSE expansion.

Unless Mx surprises us, any trees being cut here will be cut long before the provincial election in June, because the desire will be to cut them prior to spring migration of birds and nesting season. So before the end of March I would imagine. They can cut them later; but they''ll run into more issues, more politics and more costs. As such, I'm presuming they won't want to lose a year on an already tendered project.

Del Duca is making the requisite rounds; perhaps it leads to a few compensation $$ being added in the event the Libs take gov't..........but I'm not assuming that either.

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On the O/L, I don't see any politics in cancelling the whole thing, which Del Duca previously ruled out; but there may be politics in burying the bit through Leslieville yet. (or at least promising to)
 

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