nfitz
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I thought the February TTC report was just about TTC fare structures, particularly capping, and the fair fare policies. What indications are there that they've finally made progress on fare integration?
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Northern Light
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See this post by @Allandale25
GO Transit: Davenport Diamond Grade Separation | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx
^ Maybe they'll time the first revenue service train for May 26, 2014 which I think was the first revenue service day for the West Toronto Grade Separation.
Read the actual letter, and maybe some of the observations in posts below.
nfitz
Superstar
Ah - good news maybe. I don't follow that thread very closely, I hadn't realised that fare integration was being discussed there.
It all depends on how much Verster was spinning, and how accurately the NDP MPP was taking notes - but potentially good news. Presumably independent of TTC's February report. Perhaps less so for the April one - might explain why there is two.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
Great news! Based on the chart you posted earlier, this was the lowest-hanging fruit along the line: a short 30 mph slow order in an otherwise 60 mph zone. Hopefully they are also working on the two other similar slow orders (one just east of Stratford and the other crossing Hwy 7 west of New Hamburg).
Speed diagram previously posted by Krypto98
Location of the 30 mph slow order which still exists west of New Hamburg (as of today):
I highly doubt the time savings of resolving the single 30 mph slow order in Shakespeare would be 4-5 minutes, given that it was only a couple hundred metres long, and even a full station stop on a 60 mph line only adds about 2 minutes, including coming to a full stop and sitting still for 30 seconds.
And by the way, how do you make these charts? I looked quickly on transsee.ca but I didn't see any obvious way of exporting data.
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JasonParis
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Almost every recent Metrolinx public meeting has had a question about fare structure in the region. They've consistently responded that an announcement will be coming likely in 2022.
crs1026
Senior Member
I gather the overpass over No 7 is what’s slow-ordered there…. possibly a substantial price tag to remove that one.
- Paul
Krypto98
Active Member
I copy and pasted each individual line into excel and formated with one column with time and another with speed. I'll likely make another chart soon with the Guelph speed improvements.Great news! Based on the chart you posted earlier, this was the lowest-hanging fruit along the line: a short 30 mph slow order in an otherwise 60 mph zone. Hopefully they are also working on the two other similar slow orders (one just east of Stratford and the other crossing Hwy 7 west of New Hamburg).
Speed diagram previously posted by Krypto98
Location of the 30 mph slow order which still exists west of New Hamburg (as of today):
View attachment 371560
I highly doubt the time savings of resolving the single 30 mph slow order in Shakespeare would be 4-5 minutes, given that it was only a couple hundred metres long, and even a full station stop on a 60 mph line only adds about 2 minutes, including coming to a full stop and sitting still for 30 seconds.
And by the way, how do you make these charts? I looked quickly on transsee.ca but I didn't see any obvious way of exporting data.
I think there was another 15mph speed restriction increased to 30 mph near Kelly's
What was the 1970s time for kitchener to Stratford?
Krypto98
Active Member
Another correction, They are usually now 3 minutes early at stratford. Thus including duel time, i only see this improving the schedule by 2 minutes.Great news! Based on the chart you posted earlier, this was the lowest-hanging fruit along the line: a short 30 mph slow order in an otherwise 60 mph zone. Hopefully they are also working on the two other similar slow orders (one just east of Stratford and the other crossing Hwy 7 west of New Hamburg).
Speed diagram previously posted by Krypto98
Location of the 30 mph slow order which still exists west of New Hamburg (as of today):
View attachment 371560
I highly doubt the time savings of resolving the single 30 mph slow order in Shakespeare would be 4-5 minutes, given that it was only a couple hundred metres long, and even a full station stop on a 60 mph line only adds about 2 minutes, including coming to a full stop and sitting still for 30 seconds.
And by the way, how do you make these charts? I looked quickly on transsee.ca but I didn't see any obvious way of exporting data.
nfitz
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crs1026
Senior Member
Best time in the Jan 7 1970 timetable - westbound #159 - 27 minutes (plus 3 mins dwell in Stratford), That was a conventional train.
From June 1 80 - with most services running as RDC trains - westbound # 665 - 27 minutes plus 3 dwell in Stratford
May 5/91 - with service reduced after the Mulroney cuts - #80 eastward, 29 minutes (no dwell shown)
2001 (GEXR) - #87 - 29 minutes
2009 (GEXR) - #84 - 27 minutes
2017 (GEXR) #85 - 37 minutes
In theory, CN has received compensation from G+W which ought to be applied to restoring the line to its pre-GEXR condition.
- Paul
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Krypto98
Active Member
From Union Station to London on December 20th 202, The previous speed chart showed 3 humps between Kitchener and Stratford
reaperexpress
Senior Member
I meant where did you get the data to copy to Excel?
Here's April 1976 (27 min travel + 3 min dwell, same as the tables described by crs1026):
Krypto98
Active Member
There should be a link called trip path if you look at vehicle history. It's a premium feature however. I manually copy the table in has in trip path. I believe the table is a premium feature
Bordercollie
Senior Member
So how do you make the schedule reflect the original schedule before the track deteriorated? Shouldn't they be able to shave an hour off that trip?
Krypto98
Active Member
I don't know exactly how to do that but if GO3775 followed the 1970s schedule, the schedule would look like this
4:19 Union
4:46 Bramalea
4:53 Brampton
5:00 Mount Pleasant
5:12 Georgetown
5:26 Acton
5:41 Guelph Central
6:06 Kitchener
6:33 Stratford
6:48 St Marys
7:15 London
You Could subtract an additional 5-7 minutes for the Guelph Speed increases since that is not reflected here.