H4F33Z
Active Member
Honestly, I'd much rather see bus lanes along the 401 to create a rapid bus network that would actually get people moving and out of traffic.
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afransen
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reaperexpress
Senior Member
The success of GO's 407 bus routes despite low-density surroundings is a clear illustration of this point.
anb
Active Member
its probably not the density the more it is the 99% free flowing traffic, plus the connections to almost every single GO line and TTC Subway on top of them.
Take Bramalea GO for example, if you miss a train heading to Union and have to wait another hour, you might as well just take the 407 GO buses that comes at least in 15 mins to 407 Station and then the Subway from there which is roughly around the same price as an adult presto fare anyway and can save you a bit of time instead of waiting for the GO train to come in the next hour.
LNahid2000
Senior Member
Never seen them put a random 11pm niagara train into service before:
robmausser
Senior Member
They used to do more special trains during New Years, etc, but never this last minute.
WB62
Senior Member
According to an Alstom worker that did a count earlier today, there apparently was close to 4,000 on one of the Niagara trains. I have no idea if this was a rough estimation or not because that’s an insane number and close to crush load on a 12 car train
Richard White
Senior Member
I am surprised that they chose to run a train so late. If the train arrives late at Union there is no way to get home from there.
Yesterday for example there was a door problem leaving Union in the morning and a bridge problem leaving Niagara Falls in the evening. l ended up arriving at Union an hour late last night.
Anything is possible.
Jonny5
Senior Member
That seems impossible, especially since aren't several of the coaches the bike variety with no lower level seating? There would be 150+ standees in every single coach.
EDIT: That raises a question I've never thought of. Is there any kind of absolute maximum capacity for a train imposed on GO? Like some kind of max limit for insurance purposes, or by a law that says they cannot operate with more than X passengers per car?
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Richard White
Senior Member
Plus others with dedicated stroller storage. Mind you though I have seen some overly packed cars in the past, it usually involves people standing or sitting on the stairs/
WB62
Senior Member
The crush load is the absolute maximum that a coach can hold, the crush load for each coach is 438 people: 162 seated and 276 standees. On a 12 car train that’s 5,256, though this number will be slightly smaller with the stroller car, accessibility coach, and 3 bike coaches on the consist.
anb
Active Member
TTC night buses? GO train replacement buses end at like 2-3AM anyway so assuming that 11PM train arrives at latest 1:30AM at Union, they all should be fine. Not to mention the Subway will still run for a short period of time after that too so its not really bad.
Richard White
Senior Member
robmausser
Senior Member
GO offers new service:
Everyone here: Lets find every way to complain about it and nitpick it to death.
Everyone here: Lets find every way to complain about it and nitpick it to death.
crs1026
Superstar
Now that Niagara is a 7-day, all year service, I would suggest adding CTC for the short stretch from Clifton (MP2.6) to the platform at the Falls (MP 0.6) with a power switch and signalling on the siding at the Falls. CSXT signalling begins at MP 0.0, and it would not be unreasonable to signal all the way to that point. Replace the crossovers at Clifton to allow 45 mph through those.
That, and some track sprucing-up, would allow speed to be raised above the current 20 mph PSO with Rule 105 limitations. It's a short stretch, but would add flexibility at Niagara Falls especially to clear the Maple Leaf. No complicated new trackage required, pretty cheap to install.
For that matter, I wonder how VIA would feel about a J-trained Maple Leaf combined with a 6-car GO train, adding just a bit of extra capacity and making only the VIA stops.
- Paul
That, and some track sprucing-up, would allow speed to be raised above the current 20 mph PSO with Rule 105 limitations. It's a short stretch, but would add flexibility at Niagara Falls especially to clear the Maple Leaf. No complicated new trackage required, pretty cheap to install.
For that matter, I wonder how VIA would feel about a J-trained Maple Leaf combined with a 6-car GO train, adding just a bit of extra capacity and making only the VIA stops.
- Paul