denfromoakvillemilton
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The Milton line experiment lasted all of 3 months. Hopefully that 21D comes to Milton as well
The Milton line experiment lasted all of 3 months. Hopefully that 21D comes to Milton as well
That extra Milton train is not showing on GO website as of yet.
That extra Milton train is not showing on GO website as of yet.
Nope, 21 buses are still going to Lakeshore West stations.The Milton line experiment lasted all of 3 months. Hopefully that 21D comes to Milton as well
Does the extra Milton train bring us back to pre-pandemic levels?
I believe the most I ever saw was 8 peak trains in and out on Milton Line pre-2020. (16 a day in total)
And was there not talks about being able to negotiate some off-peak service on Milton?
Also, I never understand what is stopping GO from running weekend trains on Milton and Richmond Hill. I realize they would need to negotiate with CP/CN, but I would assume that tracks are less busy on weekends. Surely there could be some demand for even 4 GO trains coming in and out of Toronto on the Milton/RH lines on sat/sun? Like 2 trains to union at 9am and 4pm and a train out to Milton/RH at 2pm and 10pm?
Ok, I was wrong. They need to end that experiment. It's hurting ridership.Nope, 21 buses are still going to Lakeshore West stations.
Does the extra Milton train bring us back to pre-pandemic levels?
I believe the most I ever saw was 8 peak trains in and out on Milton Line pre-2020. (16 a day in total)
And was there not talks about being able to negotiate some off-peak service on Milton?
Also, I never understand what is stopping GO from running weekend trains on Milton and Richmond Hill. I realize they would need to negotiate with CP/CN, but I would assume that tracks are less busy on weekends. Surely there could be some demand for even 4 GO trains coming in and out of Toronto on the Milton/RH lines on sat/sun? Like 2 trains to union at 9am and 4pm and a train out to Milton/RH at 2pm and 10pm?
Wow, I didnt realize it was 10 in and 10 out at one point. 20 trains a day! You'd think it would be better to run some of those trains in reverse peak rather than all in and out. But what do I know.According to @reaperexpress 's wonderful schedule archive, there were ten return trips each day when Covid hit. (I thought I remembered an eleventh, but the schedule shows ten)
CPKC's operations are pretty much the same seven days a week, although not every freight train in the plan runs all seven days.
According to @reaperexpress 's wonderful schedule archive, there were ten return trips each day when Covid hit. (I thought I remembered an eleventh, but the schedule shows ten)
If thats the case, then you'd assume they would be able to accommodate a couple of trains saturday and sunday if they were able to accommodate 20 on the weekday.
Frequent service is obviously not happening until there's significant and expensive upgrades.But the issue is that CP still had lots of freights scheduled between those two slots, and so having GO trains running back and forth while CP's own trains are running would be problematic (in their eyes). And so there would be a couple of round trips in the morning between 6 and 9am, and another couple between 3 and 7pm - and nothing more outside of those times.
Frequent service is obviously not happening until there's significant and expensive upgrades.
But would a train every couple of hours be a big deal? Many lines accommodate non-frequent passenger trips; even CPKS. (as did this line, past Milton, until the 1960s). Even running to Streetsville would be an improvement.
It's 3-4 tracks to just before Dixie GO. And then 2 tracks to Cooksville, and 3 again to north of 403. And then 2 tracks to Guelph Junction. After that it's only 1 track. I'm not sure how they can manage operation on one track (including the presumably heavier-used Toronto to Montreal track) elsewhere, but need to clear a 3-hour window for the occasional passenger run. If they run to Meadowvale, they can easily run a single train, every 2 hours.The problem is simply, the track window CP has to clear to run two trains 90 minutes apart is almost the same window as it provides to run eight trains spaced every 15 minutes.
I've seen some stations unstaffed and locked stations when trains are running. And have never seen security and cleaning staff at the station (other than the occasional person cleaning the floors in the locked station).And, every station has to be opened, and cleaned, and patrolled for the same window.