[Undead]

No, that's not the alternative.

When discussing Uber Eats/Door Dash and the like, the alternative is doing away with them entirely, and actually making people get off their butt and go sit in a restaurant like a social human being instead of sitting on the couch, in front of the TV eating food out of a takeaway container.

Failing that, maybe people could try learning how to cook. LOL

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To be clear, I'm not opposed to all food delivery, and by all means, where we have food delivery, if it can be by bike, great!

But I think restaurant and grocery delivery has become far too ubiquitous; the social consequence from it being under-priced, due to paying extremely poorly; and of people being less social and more lazy is not healthy nor desirable.

Make food delivery services pay their full and fair share of taxes, including payroll taxes like EI/CPP; and have them pay a guaranteed minimum wage, which is also a living wage; and I think the service's scale would collapse by 75% under its own weight, when every delivery costs an extra $10 vs today.

Laudable but out of scope for GO. But I appreciate your big picture thinking.

 

[Richard White]

Can we get a puking reaction emoji for the forum?!!?!?!

 

[Admiral Beez]

The alternative is the couriers drive.

The alternative is what I do. Walk to the restaurant and bring it home. Or, I go to the grocery store and make my own meals. I have never once used a food delivery app, mostly because I’m frugal and I hate to pay fees.

 

[Admiral Beez]

Doubtless true in small towns and such; but as someone who lives in a very middleclass, pretty safe area, I can tell you the neighbourhood social media groups are alive, almost daily with porch piracy complaints and camera feeds.

In my neighbourhood, Cabbagetown porch piracy is rampant. The FB groups are full of videos of junkies and vagrants stealing parcels.

 

[Undead]

The alternative is what I do. Walk to the restaurant and bring it home. Or, I go to the grocery store and make my own meals. I have never once used a food delivery app, mostly because I’m frugal and I hate to pay fees.

Rarely viable in the suburbs.

I almost never order food delivery either.

Do we know if the couriers are mostly traveling during peak or off peak? If off peak, we can probably be more lenient with imposing fees/restrictions for bringing bikes on trains.

For me, the bigger context is encouraging: that there is budding demand for combined cycling and transit trip patterns. Isn't this what we're trying to encourage?

Yes, the details matter and we must optimize them. But let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater.

 

[nfitz]

In my neighbourhood, Cabbagetown porch piracy is rampant. The FB groups are full of videos of junkies and vagrants stealing parcels.

Here in the Beaches too - and yet it's never happened to me. (what has happened many times is Amazon and particularly Purolator delivering to the wrong address).

It's like all the fuss about Toronto no longer being safe, with so many murders - when reality is the murder rate is on track to be the lowest in years. Old people shouting at clouds.

 

[Undead]

It's like all the fuss about Toronto no longer being safe, with so many murders - when reality is the murder rate is on track to be the lowest in years. Old people shouting at clouds.

There's crime other than murders. Car jackings are up significantly.

 

[nfitz]

There's crime other than murders. Car jackings are up significantly.

It's up from Covid, certainly. It would be interesting to see data from last decade. And how much of it is just wanting to steal the car, rather than something else.

But that's not what I see people complaining about.

 

[Undead]

It's up from Covid, certainly. It would be interesting to see data from last decade. And how much of it is just wanting to steal the car, rather than something else.

But that's not what I see people complaining about.

Not just since covid.

Organized crime groups target debtors to participate in car theft, police say

Investigators’ description of the scheme comes in the wake of a major police crackdown in Windsor, Ont., where police recovered more than 130 stolen vehicles

www.theglobeandmail.com

"Between 2014 and 2021, the OPP says there was a 72 per cent increase in vehicle thefts across the province. In 2022, they saw another 14 per cent jump. And after just the first six months of this year, they were already closing in on last year’s total."

 

[Admiral Beez]

There's crime other than murders. Car jackings are up significantly.

Carjackings are rare. On average about a hundred a year out about two million vehicles in the GTA.

 

[Undead]

Murders are rare, perhaps a few dozen a year over 7.5 million people in the GTA.

We're talking about trends and relevant comparisons over time, not absolute numbers.

Anyway, we're wildly off topic.

 

[anb]

The bike problem continues at all time high for the Kitchener Line.

 

[nfitz]

Not just since covid.

Organized crime groups target debtors to participate in car theft, police say

Investigators’ description of the scheme comes in the wake of a major police crackdown in Windsor, Ont., where police recovered more than 130 stolen vehicles

www.theglobeandmail.com

"Between 2014 and 2021, the OPP says there was a 72 per cent increase in vehicle thefts across the province. In 2022, they saw another 14 per cent jump. And after just the first six months of this year, they were already closing in on last year’s total."

I don't see a mention of car jackings there - that seems to be about car theft - which isn't a violent crime.

The government could get car theft back down to traditional levels in 5 minutes with no cost, if they wanted to. The increase is primarily driven by the export of stolen high-end vehicles by sea in containers.

All the feds have to do is require a registry of car VINs being exported. And then if routine inspections EVER find a stolen car, then ban the shipping company from using Canadian ports.

But yes, we are off-topic.

 

[reaperexpress]

The bike problem continues at all time high for the Kitchener Line.

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RIP anyone who was at Weston or Bloor trying to go anywhere other than the airport... Especially since the 22:34 is the last train of the day

 

[PL1]

Not just since covid.

Organized crime groups target debtors to participate in car theft, police say

Investigators’ description of the scheme comes in the wake of a major police crackdown in Windsor, Ont., where police recovered more than 130 stolen vehicles

www.theglobeandmail.com

"Between 2014 and 2021, the OPP says there was a 72 per cent increase in vehicle thefts across the province. In 2022, they saw another 14 per cent jump. And after just the first six months of this year, they were already closing in on last year’s total."

These are thefts, not carjackings. Still not good, but without the violence