[smallspy]

I mean often these come from disgruntled employees not privy to the full picture.

I would normally agree with you on these kinds of things.

But if the poster is who I think he is, he is someone who has operated at Bombardier/Alstom for quite some time and is very well connected with much of the staff there - and not just on the operations side, either.

These kinds of transitions are also not uncommon to experience a few "growing pains" which I'm sure will be resolved by mid 2025.

Yes, but......

There have been some very serious missteps with this process. Both in terms of how it was laid out and has happened, and also due to Alstom management's stubbornness, with a bit of Metrolinx overreach mixed in for fun.

Perhaps, but I am still stunned that the concept of "successor rights" did not apply to labour agreements, employment status, etc for operating and maintenance staff. I guess the law is less airtight than I had imagined.

- Paul

It does, but only if the agreements have been put into place to make them happen.

That has not happened here - at least not as yet.

Dan

 

[innsertnamehere]

Perhaps, I'm just usually wary of these kinds of rumours.

And even if the rumours are true, these things have a tendency to resolve themselves by the time the time-critical date rolls around (in this case, January 1st).

 

[crs1026]

It does, but only if the agreements have been put into place to make them happen.

That has not happened here - at least not as yet.

Dan

Interesting....I looked it up. The Collective Agreement between Alstom and TCRC 660 expires Dec 31 2024. How convenient.

All the same, successor rights are about the right to represent as well as the continuation of any collective agreement then in force. So I can't see how TCRC 660 loses its rights to negotiate a first agreement with Onxpress. And I can't imagine that the workforce would accept an agreement that didn't generally match the old one.

But a good lawyer....

- Paul

 

[smallspy]

Interesting....I looked it up. The Collective Agreement between Alstom and TCRC 660 expires Dec 31 2024. How convenient.

All the same, successor rights are about the right to represent as well as the continuation of any collective agreement then in force. So I can't see how TCRC 660 loses its rights to negotiate a first agreement with Onxpress. And I can't imagine that the workforce would accept an agreement that didn't generally match the old one.

But a good lawyer....

- Paul

Successor rights also need to be baked into the agreement between the originator and successor - Alstom and ONXpress. At this time, they have no such agreement.

Dan

 

[crs1026]

Successor rights also need to be baked into the agreement between the originator and successor - Alstom and ONXpress. At this time, they have no such agreement.

Dan

No, actually. The whole point of successor rights is where employer A goes away and Employer B begins doing the same work with the same people in the same space. (My rough translation of the more legalistic test that is actually used) The Union takes Employer B to the Labour Board and points out the facts. The Labour Board then decides whether the union does hold a successor "right to represent" and if so whether a collective agreement is in place.

Employer A may not even exist anymore and what if anything they agreed to with Employer B is irrelevant.

I can't imagine how the Labour Board would say that running a GO train on Jan 1 is different work than running the same train on Dec 31. So I can't imagine how TCRC 660 would lose their certification over the right to represent the workforce running the trains.

Maybe I'm missing something.

- Paul

 

[ownthesky]

Has there been any talk of more grade separation in Hamilton for the CN mainline heading to the new Confederation station (and eventual Grimsby station)? The tracks pass over multiple N/S arteries between Confederation and West Harbour and these arteries are major industrial routes for truck traffic in the area. As train frequencies increase, it will surely cause congestion in the area (on top of the wear of driving heavy steel industry trucks over it constantly). I know the upgraded grade separation at Centennial was a big project.