ShonTron
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The myth that the Weston people are a bunch of common NIMBYs simply opposed to more trains in their neighbourhood almost as hard to put away as the ignorant misconception that Obama is Muslim.
Demand is higher there, and promised have been made for over 30 years. Looking back at the Toronto Transit website the line was carrying over 4,000,000 rideras a year by 1968; more than any other line currently carries, except Milton (which is about 6,000,000 a year now). Even with the currently increased off-peak service on the Georgetown line it is under 4,000,000. While the Lakeshore is currently over 24,000,000.
I just don't see the logic in delaying upgrades that have been in planning for decades, to increase services for less people. (and I really don't think these things are mutually exclusive. GO in 2004 started several upgrade projects, and this is the first to bear major fruit. And perhaps the low-hanging fruit too.)
So you should have equal service for every route no matter how much or little demand there is? Or you should ignore upgrade planning and promises made before some of the current routes were even conceived?
No Georgetown has better service than Milton. There are 9 trains a day on the Georgetown line (not all getting to Georgetown itself, but that isn't that big) and only 6 a day on the Milton line. Yet the Milton line has 50% more riders.both Milton and Lakeshore have much better service than Georgetown.
Perhaps they do, but their antics have scared everyone shitless, and even though it was the first of the GO projects to be funded, I expect it will be the last one built, because of the militancy of the residents. The amount of headaches and pain that exists for staff working on that project must be incredible - no wonder they'd rather deal with other projects first.I'll say it yet again... Weston WANTS more trains going through their neighbourhood. They've asked for it.
No Georgetown has better service than Milton. There are 9 trains a day on the Georgetown line (not all getting to Georgetown itself, but that isn't that big) and only 6 a day on the Milton line. Yet the Milton line has 50% more riders.
I think Milton could easily support full hourly service now - but CP is difficult to work with, there isn't much track, and it's going to take a few years and a lot of $ to build it.
Perhaps they do, but their antics have scared everyone shitless, and even though it was the first of the GO projects to be funded, I expect it will be the last one built, because of the militancy of the residents. The amount of headaches and pain that exists for staff working on that project must be incredible - no wonder they'd rather deal with other projects first.
Agreed. Can't be any level crossings, particularly dangerous if more than 2 tracks. And once every 15-minute is only the proposed GO frequency, ultimately the airport express could be the same, plus the occasional VIA train. So with both directions there would be on average one passing every 4 minutes mid-day with more in rush hour.I agree that the Weston residents group supports more local transit, but you can't run 15 minute frequencies with grade crossings like that. Something's going to have to give.
They haven't started yet. The conclusion was that there are a lot better places in the GTA for GO to spend their efforts. The province has been sitting on the TOR for the IEA for 2 years now, and nothing happens until they approve it.The wider-ranging IEA was done instead... admittedly I'm not sure what the conclusions of that study are.
They haven't started yet. The conclusion was that there are a lot better places in the GTA for GO to spend their efforts. The province has been sitting on the TOR for the IEA for 2 years now, and nothing happens until they approve it.
Why use the word liberal? The federal government was Liberal as well as the province.Either reject it, amend it or pass it.......what that looked like to me was a liberal government at Queen's Park intentionally stalling a federally sponsored project.
Why use the word liberal? The federal government was Liberal as well as the province.