WB62
Senior Member
That article only mentions 10 car trains, I’m worried that they won’t be increasing them further than that, even though the Lakeshore Lines need the extra capacity.
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ARG1
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reaperexpress
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Even if they were instructed to spam service wherever possible, it still seems like a bizarre use of resources. That same trainset could just as easily provide 2-hourly service from Union to Bramalea, in addition to the existing hourly service to Mount Pleasant. And of course a second trainset would fill it out to full 30 min combined service as far as Bramalea.
My point is that even if you truncate the Richmond Hill buses outside of downtown it still doesn't make sense to run off-peak Richmond Hill trains.
Richmond Hill to Oriole costs $4.63, and Richmond Hill to Union costs $6.86. that's a difference of $2.23, which is more than the $1.55 that the TTC would cost if the former 50% GO co-fare were still in effect.
That is absolute insanity. Sounds like we should bring this prohibition of inter-agency cooperation more into the public eye.
joet00
New Member
I've always understood 15-min service on the Barrie line was planned through Aurora. However, more than a few times now, I see the northern terminus described as Bradford. The most recent example is from this week's MX blog post about Rutherford.
For comparison, this PIC Storyboard from 2016 shows 15-minute service only as far as Aurora (slide 3), explaining the third track (slide 5).
I'm all for this extension of 2WAD service, but curious about the new plan. The MX webpage is thin on details, with no new attachments since 2019.
Was anything made publicly available around this? Any other changes on other lines of a similar nature?
For comparison, this PIC Storyboard from 2016 shows 15-minute service only as far as Aurora (slide 3), explaining the third track (slide 5).
I'm all for this extension of 2WAD service, but curious about the new plan. The MX webpage is thin on details, with no new attachments since 2019.
Was anything made publicly available around this? Any other changes on other lines of a similar nature?
Coolstar
Senior Member
Yep. There was a blog post about it back in the summer.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
which is a very good move - Bradford isn't as much of a key destination but ending before Newmarket was always a bit of a mistake if you ask me.
north-of-anything
Active Member
Newmarket is the real key destination, but bringing 15-minute service up to Bradford makes sense for two key reasons:
1. Right now bus transfers to/from the 68 are a crapshoot as to whether you'll have to get off at Aurora or East Gwillimbury, depending on the time of day. Making all of those transfers at East Gwillimbury would reduce confusion and make trips faster.
2. There's a storage or layover yard proposed a few kilometers north of Bradford Station, in addition to the existing storage tracks just north of the station. Bringing service up to Bradford cuts down on deadheading.
1. Right now bus transfers to/from the 68 are a crapshoot as to whether you'll have to get off at Aurora or East Gwillimbury, depending on the time of day. Making all of those transfers at East Gwillimbury would reduce confusion and make trips faster.
2. There's a storage or layover yard proposed a few kilometers north of Bradford Station, in addition to the existing storage tracks just north of the station. Bringing service up to Bradford cuts down on deadheading.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
From what I recall Metrolinx is planning 30-minute service to Barrie still - bus transfers to continue further north won’t really happen, you’ll just have to catch every other train.
Extending it to Bradford is definitely a nice bonus, but the key destination is and always has been Newmarket / East Gwillimbury, which services over 100,000 people.
Extending it to Bradford is definitely a nice bonus, but the key destination is and always has been Newmarket / East Gwillimbury, which services over 100,000 people.
smallspy
Senior Member
Why does it need to be mutually exclusive? There are lots of trainsets to be used, and every trainset that operates in the middle of the day is one that doesn't need to be stored at any of the various yards near downtown.
Again, that's from your perspective. There are other perspectives that appear to say otherwise, or at least favour other opinions and options.
For the 18 months that the co-fare existed? Great.
How about the rest of the time when there was no co-fare?
It is absolute insanity. There has been lots of complaining from the connecting transit services, and for good reason.
And yet, Metrolinx is quite content to tell them that it's the fault of the Government, and that they can't until they are allowed to.
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reaperexpress
Senior Member
It of course isn't mutually exclusive, I'm just surprised that they were already at the point of considering bottom-of-the-barrel items like that, while they were still only running 1 train per hour to Bramalea, for example.
Yes, and this is a forum in which we share our perspectives and hear others' perspectives. I'm happy to hear other perspectives as to the advantages of off-peak Richmond Hill Line service.
The rest of the time it would suck. Just as it also sucks to pay $3.10 just to transfer from Downsview Park to York University. Or from Hwy 407 station to York University.
In thse examples, the fundamental issue is a lack of fare integration, not a lack of service. It seems a bit rich for Metrolinx to spend money to run extra services on the basis that there isn't fare integration, while they're the ones who have tasked themseves with implementing fare integration. Especially while there has previously been a form of fare integration which would totally eliminate a fare penalty for transferring Richmond Hill passengers.
What Metrolinx is saying is true isn't it? Metrolinx is clearly being micromanaged by provincial politicians, and has been for some time. Which is quite a disappointment given the initial promises that it would be an arms-length agency which could actually make decisions based on sound transit planning, rather than political whims.
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ARG1
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LNahid2000
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Seriously? That's it?
Northern Light
Superstar
That probably explains why we didn't get a ministerial presser for this.
On the upside, that almost certainly confirms there's another service increase coming soon.
Seeing as the cut off for for gov't pressers is when the writ drops which pretty much has to be by the 2nd week of May, we can reasonably expect another round of service improvements before then.
I should add, I was hearing about a much larger service improvement, and I had been assuming (wrongly it seems) that this would come all at once.
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Edit to add, I still don't see it up online.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
https://www.gotransit.com/en/trip-planning/go-service-updates/train-schedule-changes
Lakeshore West:
Lakeshore East:
Barrie Line:
UP Express:
Milton and Richmond Hill just have minor adjustments to timings and train lengths.
Massive dissappointment that the Niagara weekend train service still isn't back. They even went as far as to remove it from the Route 12 map. Meanwhile York University station is still shown, despite having been closed more than two years ago.
Lakeshore West:
Lakeshore East:
Barrie Line:
UP Express:
Milton and Richmond Hill just have minor adjustments to timings and train lengths.
Massive dissappointment that the Niagara weekend train service still isn't back. They even went as far as to remove it from the Route 12 map. Meanwhile York University station is still shown, despite having been closed more than two years ago.
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ShonTron
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Yeah. Unless you travel during the off-peak period on the Lakeshore lines, there's absolutely nothing here. No return of express trains on the Kitchener Line. No weekend train service on the Barrie and Stouffville Lines. Nothing to improve the bus routes.
It's a whole load of nothing.
It's possible that crew shortages are still a problem. It's also possible that certain construction projects can be done faster without weekend trains on the Barrie and Stouffville lines. But waiting this long and getting nothing on 95% of the bus and rail network? Disappointing.
It's a whole load of nothing.
It's possible that crew shortages are still a problem. It's also possible that certain construction projects can be done faster without weekend trains on the Barrie and Stouffville lines. But waiting this long and getting nothing on 95% of the bus and rail network? Disappointing.