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It's even more than that if you count the portions outside the city, which I would argue we should. Proper fare integration will make municipal/agency boundaries all but irrelevant. So the RER sections go well outside the city to Oshawa, Aurora, etc. If fare integration is done properly, GO expansion will the biggest game changer for transit since the subway.
This is true… no city has a system like this in North America. The regional divides will effectively disappear if the “rapid transit” network is region-wide.
New York City has a lot of frequent (and lot of not so frequent) commuter trains - many run by the same agency that runs the buses and subway.
There is no fare integration between Metro North, LIRR and the MTA.
MTA is too siloed. But Transport for London? It's very siloed even from Thameslink, let alone other National Rail (commuter) services, other than Crossrail. It took 7 years go roll out Oyster to the main London commuter lines - and 16 years to get it running on Heathrow Express. And even then, they never designed Oyster to handle all the existing fare London-area zones outside TFL - so you can only use Oyster Debit/Credit for some stations - including on the Elizabeth Line.
That is true, I didn't fully interpreted the comment correctly.
Your choice of comparison for TFL is completely Apples to Oranges, ThamesLink and National Rail aren't part of TFL at all. This would be like complaining that the MTA doesn't get along well with NJT or Amtrak. The point that was made was that everything under the TFL umbrella is fully interconnected and managed. The fare you pay on the Underground is fully integrated with the DLR, Overground, TFL Rail, etc. and all different organizations within TFL can communicate with each other, meanwhile with MTA, whilst they're all part of the same corporation, they might as well be completely separate entities. Even then, at least with London the Oyster Zone still fully applies to non-TFL services, only requiring you to pay a small surcharge if you're say transferring from Thameslink to the Bakerloo. This is more than what could be said about the MTA onto itself.
And also running adequate local bus service. That will truly make or break RER.
That was my point. They aren't part of TFL, just like GO Transit and the Hamilton Street Railway aren't part of TTC. I was pointing out to the other person that it's a poor comparison.
it was just a thought experiment if one could in theory hop onto GO for the same fare as the TTC with full integration implemented.
Integrating fares doesn't mean applying the current TTC fare to trips from Kitchener.
haha again i understand.
I'm fine with the GO fares remaining a few cents more expensive.
