digi
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No wonder the media is biased because people like you work in the field.
that's the best you could come up with? pathetic...but to be expected.
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No wonder the media is biased because people like you work in the field.
Perhaps, alongside the social programs, you also need the powerfully strong justice system, so that they do not see the drug dealer on the corner making it on easy street, distracting the youngsters from the positive paths of education, perserverence and success. Instead the drug dealer and gang banger is off the street, in jail for a good long time, or deported, or exiled from the projects, leaving a more positive community for everyone else in his wake.
That's exactly why I listed those cities. For AB, it is a racial problem. He blames it all on a particular group he has a problem with, while ignoring everything else. I listed those cities (ones with much lower populations of the racial group in question) in order to demonstrate it's not a racial issue.
As ganjavih stated, no one is in denial. But conducting a witch hunt against an entire community is ridiculous. We don't judge any other crime along racial or ethnic lines. It doesn't make any sense to do it here. Canadians of European background commit the majority of crime in the country...why don't we start targeting them for areas of crime in which they're prevalent?
I think everyone is biased, and as soon as they put pen to paper (or fingers to keyboard) their bias comes out. I've read the book Blink, and it says that we make longterm biases about people and situation within seconds of first encountering someone or something.
One of the best ways of trying to balance bias is to debate or report from a position that is opposite or against your naturally held view of things. I remember at University where in my Middle East studies course we held a debate over the Jewish West Bank settlements, and one rather ardent Jewish student gave an excellent performance on why the settlements were illegal, which was completely against his personal opinion. I'd day that chap could at least recognise bias.
I do think it's funny that Digi keeps making biased swipes at the American University system where I was taught. Digi thinks it's inferior to the system here. I can't imagine why.
I don't see how this can not be seen as a biased swipe, as Mot suggests.And today I'll say:
Do you know that "fact" and "bias" are two different words, that mean two different things? Or are you revealing your US education, again?
That is not what I perceive he is doing. We have to also be careful not to choose to read a race issue into everything. In other words, there is an important distinction to make between saying that a majority of gun crime in Toronto/GTA is being committed by blacks vs the majority of blacks are committing gun crime. The former is a reality that must be discussed openly. The latter is false and irresponsible.
We do indeed target white people for crime. We know that white straight men are more likely to be serial killers, for example, but it goes without saying that not all straight white men are serial killers.
It also goes without saying that not all black people commit gun crime. Be careful of your own 'witch hunts'. Not everybody's intentions are racist. People just need to learn how to better characterize these very sensitive issues.
Nor with Syn's years-long, legendary knee jerk hysteria at any mention of profound dysfunction and criminality in said community.
His comments, overheated as they may be at times, trump your endless strawmen and evasions any day. You've been peddling this shit for years, even as the black bodies kept piling up. A classic example:
"We do? When is the last time it was suggested there is a crisis in the "white" community? Crime is never viewed in racial/ethnic terms if perpetrated by someone who is a white Canadian (nor should it be)."
Nice try. We aren't talking about crime in the "white" community.
And incidentally, if you don't think "whites" *aren't* targeted by police, well, there are a lot of Hells Angels, Russians, and Italians who'd disagree with you. Or aren't they "white" enough? Micks, Russkies and Wops don't count, eh?
No, we're talking about black shooters here syn. Black. Jamaican-born and descended blacks. A small, tiny subset of them, to be sure, but let's not beat around the bush here. Address that, for once, without swinging that big stick on your shoulder and coming up with torqued, weasly arguments to evade and dodge what AB is saying, ham-handed as he can be.
Because guess what, when you're a minority (hell, a minority of a minority), you're going to be under the microscope, like it or not, especially when you're leaving bullet holes and bodies all over the place. And when a small number of the population is committing crimes in far larger proportion than their numbers, people are going to ask questions whether they're black or not. So in this case, it's blacks. Too bad, but tough titties. You'd have to be blind or a fool not to see that a subset of black men in this city are *not* responsible for a *huge* amount of crime in this city. Walk into a courthouse lately?
Here's some reading for you:
http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/majors.php
Hardly a week goes by where Male, Black doesn't constitute at a minimum 60% of the subjects listed. Either there's a *lot* of black guys doing shit, or there's only a few....and are they damned efficient or what? And shootings? Heh...yeah, we all know there's an epidemic of, um, Jew on Jew violence? No? Chinese on Chinese violence? Nigerian on Nigerian violence? Well...no. Hmm. Samoan on Samoan violence? Guess not...so, who could it be then, I wonder? Help me out here. I keep looking for other descriptions in those reports, and black keeps coming up, at least 6 times out of 10. Even the Star reports black suspects now, goodness!
You asked this earlier: "Why don't we just kill them?"
Guess what, they're doing a pretty good job of that themselves.
I am for gun control....but one place that has intrigued me is Switzerland....one of the highest rates of gun ownership and one of the lowest rates of gun crime. They actually have more stabbings then shootings in that country, where every male has a service rifle or handgun at home.
The Swiss example is what leads to me to believe that it has less to do with law than to do with culture. Could it be that the US with its high rates of social-economic inequality, abject poverty, less restrictive gun laws has created an environment that fosters gun crime?