steveintoronto
Superstar
Yeah, got just past that, and realized what I was getting into. They're not doing you a favour, far from it.
Think twice!
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robmausser
Senior Member
Then they will report that signal priority doesnt work! Zero street cars wen through king after turning on signal priority!
DSC
Superstar
The King St. pilot project is saving downtown Toronto commuters approximately $11.5 million a year in terms of time, a new study has concluded, with the authors recommending Toronto city council make the project permanent.
Ryerson University’s City Building Institute (CBI) released a report Thursday saying that according to their calculations the project saves $10.9 million in time for existing streetcar users and $0.6 million for new users.
From: https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...5-million-in-time-per-year-ryerson-study.html
Full Report at: https://www.citybuildinginstitute.ca/2018/09/20/value-of-time-savings-in-king-st-transit-pilot/
Ryerson University’s City Building Institute (CBI) released a report Thursday saying that according to their calculations the project saves $10.9 million in time for existing streetcar users and $0.6 million for new users.
From: https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...5-million-in-time-per-year-ryerson-study.html
Full Report at: https://www.citybuildinginstitute.ca/2018/09/20/value-of-time-savings-in-king-st-transit-pilot/
steveintoronto
Superstar
^This is crucial, as it's from *Metrolinx*...not the City, not the TTC, as Ford will be prone to dismiss any case they make:
If Ford has a problem with that, he has a problem region wide...
W. K. Lis
Superstar
dowlingm
Senior Member
Yes. Anyone who thinks that Doug Ford will prefer fact over prejudice - especially a prejudice previously and publicly espoused - is trusting in hope over experience.
drum118
Superstar
Very true since he hates streetcars.
Regardless how bad TTC needs more cars, it will be up to city and the Fed's to find the money for them. Ford will say no to any idea of having more streetcars on the road. The province said no to the current order.
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
I thought it was the feds that said no to it when the city of Toronto applied for funding for them under that program that involved putting up signs that the Harper government had.
Avenue
Active Member
More like 1.05. 1.3 is extremely generous.
DSC
Superstar
This can certainly happen if there is some sort of disruption/accident and/or when a shift change means cars are going out of service and heading 'home'. If you are trying to report a more serious problem with route management you need more than one (rather vague) report of a personal experience. (For examples of 'scientific' observations take a look at the reports that Steve Munro posts on the King project. (Yes, he does report that the TTC's route management is poor but he identifies where and why bunching occurs.) (Of course, there are no streetcars at 'Union and King' either ....)
BurlOak
Senior Member
King St. pilot project saves riders $11.5 million in time per year: Ryerson study
8 months into King Street pilot, police are still having trouble enforcing rules
It seems that the King Street Pilot project will become permanent. It seems that the big problem was left turning vehicles blocking streetcars. The solution is very confusing and not intuitive.
I wonder if they should initiate another trial to see if there is a better way of solving the problem. How about just eliminating left turns, but still allowing through movements?
8 months into King Street pilot, police are still having trouble enforcing rules
It seems that the King Street Pilot project will become permanent. It seems that the big problem was left turning vehicles blocking streetcars. The solution is very confusing and not intuitive.
I wonder if they should initiate another trial to see if there is a better way of solving the problem. How about just eliminating left turns, but still allowing through movements?
KevinT
Active Member
I don't see how that's any more enforceable than 'no straight'. Change the laws to allow enforcement by camera, don't change the pilot.
BurlOak
Senior Member
The point is that is shouldn't rely on enforcement - it should be a solution that is logical and would be supported by motorists regardless of enforcement. Enforcement should be for the ~2% who deliberately violate the rules, not the 25% who don't understand the rules because they are so counter intuitive.
If they knew what needed to be done, then a pilot wouldn't have been needed - they could have just done the right thing right away.
They learned something with this trial, but why not try to learn more. Was most of the benefit derived from preventing left turns, or preventing through movements. Isolate your variables.
SunriseChampion
Senior Member
There's no way it's people not being able to understand a friggin sign. It's mostly people who think they're too good for the rest of us.
I drive, walk, transit King Street all the time (King is my first love)...I see these chumps.
And if it is confusing to anyone then they really shouldn't be behind the wheel of a tonne of metal and mechanics. End of.
I watched a guy today trying to make a left onto a QEW off ramp ... a big no left turn sign, and 3 lanes of cars facing him. Not sure which part he couldn’t understand ....
Part of the problem with King St is that because it’s a pilot, the signage isn’t always clear and typical Toronto, some intersections suffer from serious sign clutter. However, some people could have 5’ high neon lights, and they would still ignore them.
Part of the problem with King St is that because it’s a pilot, the signage isn’t always clear and typical Toronto, some intersections suffer from serious sign clutter. However, some people could have 5’ high neon lights, and they would still ignore them.