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Avenue said:
You're nonsensically dragging this out. You *can* consider someone a moron or a genius based on their views. That's a perfectly consistent method assessing someone.
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Towered said:
Why would one respect stupidity? That's illogical.
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Oh sure, but don't expect to get anywhere. That's how you get the political gridlock we see in Toronto.
 
Meanwhile, in Montreal...

SUV owners to pay more for parking in the Plateau

From link.

Revenue to be put to $2 million deficit in borough budget

SUVs and other highly polluting vehicles may soon have to pay more to park in the Plateau-Mont-Royal borough.

Luc Rabouin, the new Projet Montréal mayor of the borough, announced his intention to raise the permit prices for vehicles that produce more emissions at a council meeting earlier this month.

The plan is expected to be voted on in December. The price will remain the same for other cars.

At $140, the cost of a parking permit in the Plateau is already the highest in the city of Montreal.

"The ecological transition is a priority," said Rabouin at borough council on Nov. 4.

"The residents of the Plateau want us to act now, while there is still time."
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Balancing the budget

Plateau councillor Alex Norris told CBC the measure was introduced as part of a presentation on the budget. The additional revenue is expected to go toward reducing a $2-million deficit in the borough's finances.

The borough collects parking fees from meters on nearly all the commercial streets in the area, and approximately 50 per cent of residential streets are reserved for paid permit-holders.
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On some streets, the borough sold 130 per cent of permits available, meaning there were more permits than parking spaces.

The Plateau isn't the first borough to bring in different pricing based on vehicle type.

Côte-Des-Neiges—Notre-Dame-De-Grâce enacted a new pricing system for permits based on the size of the vehicle's engine in June. Owners of vehicles with larger engines are charged more, while those with electric vehicle receive a rebate.

In Rosemont—La-Petite-Patrie, hybrid and electric vehicle owners also pay less than gasoline cars.

There hasn't been an increase in parking permit cost in the Plateau in eight years.
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Parking an easy target to curb city emissions

The director of Montreal's regional environmental council, Coralie Deny, praised the idea.

"[Montreal mayor Valérie Plante] and her team committed to very ambitious targets, with a 55 per cent reduction in greenhouse gases by 2050," Deny said.

"If they want to get there, they have no choice but to attack parking."

According to an analysis published by the city of Montreal in 2016, 90 per cent of parking spaces in its boroughs are still free.

"If there is one place where it should be expensive to have a parking space, it is in the city centre," said Deny.
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Helps to fight climate change and a source of revenue for the city. What do you think, Mayor Tory?
 
In defence of Neutrino’s position the polarization of politics and issue discourse is exasperated by the kind of comments we see here.

The fundamental point of the political system is to hash out direction from an array of competing interests not to achieve universal consensus.

The act of ridiculing people for advocating for interests not aligned with your own disrespects the process. It is an attempt to silence debate by those who are seeking hegemony for their views. Issues become replaced by warring factions where self worth is measured based on self-identity groupings.
 
TrickyRicky said:
In defence of Neutrino’s position the polarization of politics and issue discourse is exasperated by the kind of comments we see here.

The fundamental point of the political system is to hash out direction from an array of competing interests not to achieve universal consensus.

The act of ridiculing people for advocating for interests not aligned with your own disrespects the process. It is an attempt to silence debate by those who are seeking hegemony for their views. Issues become replaced by warring factions where self worth is measured based on self-identity groupings.
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True, it takes two to tango - but let's not pretend this is a new invention. I don't see anyone complaining about "disrepects the process" when the elected representatives themselves uses the crassest terms to describe their opponents and supporters (pinko lefty, granola eaters, etc).

AoD
 
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TrickyRicky said:
In defence of Neutrino’s position the polarization of politics and issue discourse is exasperated by the kind of comments we see here.

The fundamental point of the political system is to hash out direction from an array of competing interests not to achieve universal consensus.

The act of ridiculing people for advocating for interests not aligned with your own disrespects the process. It is an attempt to silence debate by those who are seeking hegemony for their views. Issues become replaced by warring factions where self worth is measured based on self-identity groupings.
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What if the views held by that elected representative actually result in people's deaths, in a quantifiable, objective way, like say, traffic fatalities?

What if those views vary from scientific consensus, on a seemingly urgent matter, which may put thousands of lives at risk (or more) over the next few decades, not to mention cause hundreds of billions of dollars in economic dislocation (or more). Such as climate change denial?

I am not suggesting an attempt to persuade that person of the virtue of more informed views ought to begin with "Boy, your stupid, get with the times" as that is no way to make a well reasoned argument.

I might be suggesting that if multiple, well reasoned arguments, offered with politeness and respect have been tried and found non-persuasive, perhaps the value of false respect might decline.

It might be ok, at some point, to simply admit someone is intellectually or morally lacking (or both) and move on; and whatever the adverse impact of such direct speech; it is offset by the value in same in bringing clarity; and emphasis of importance on key issues.

Just a thought?
 
DSC said:
and in the interim the constituents he is so fond of will remain unrepresented.
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Well, that was quick! From Star at https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...r-his-return-to-council-office-on-nov-21.html

Former Scarborough councillor Jim Karygiannis will have his day in court on Nov. 21 in a bid to get his council seat back.

Ontario Superior Court Justice Todd Archibald agreed on Friday morning that the matter should be heard on an urgent basis ahead of the upcoming council meeting on Nov. 26 when the city clerk is expected to report to council on the Ward 22 vacancy.

Archibald told the lawyers present in the civil practice courtroom on University Avenue where hearings are scheduled that the courts were booked up over the next two weeks, but that they would find space to hear the Karygiannis matter.

“We will get you on because of the importance to everyone, to the city and to the individual, obviously,” Archibald said.

The judge also granted elector Adam Chaleff intervener status in the matter, meaning his lawyer, Stephen Aylward, can make legal arguments regarding Karygiannis’s request to be returned to office.

Aylward told the court it was his understanding that the city didn’t intend to take any position on the merits of Karygiannis’s application — which would mean they would largely be a neutral party.

A lawyer for the city told the judge they did not plan to cross-examine Karygiannis.
 
Wait, what would have been a good choice for Toronto then, if Tory is detrimental, never mind lacking.

I need to know.
 
It isn't like Keesmaat could have done much different given the circumstances. Thug would have pushed her around even more.
 
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