Rainforest
Senior Member
There will be no Sheppard announcement. He needs to sort out his SmartTrack, as well as finalize the SSE.
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rbt
Senior Member
Who else is with Tory? That's usually a strong hint. Anything really major and Wynne would be a speaker.
I'm guessing the first Presto enabled bus route or something like that.
Tuscani01
Senior Member
So its just a new traffic management plan and traffic safety plan. Lame
dowlingm
Senior Member
A plan to make some plans
salsa
Senior Member
And with no immediate plan to pay for it.
Rainforest
Senior Member
Improvements to traffic management will cost peanuts, compared to the grand plans of transit expansion. They can be added easily to the council's budget.
Of course, the flip side is that any such improvements will have a small positive effect at best; or may not be noticeable at all.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
From the public meeting: City is looking at Rapid Transit on Sheppard. Probably an LRT. Subway is not on the table.
lead82
Senior Member
Why is it being called rapid transit and the LRT is not a pre determined option. Thee EA is done and funding is approved for it as LRT. I suspect that there is a big push to make this a subway. Perhaps not all the way to Scarborough Centre but at least to the Agincourt SmartTrack/ GO line. It would be a much more natural thing to do rather than have Sheppard be a multi-mode route for people going long distances. While a dedicated BRT would work the subway ending a Don Mills is what makes it useless. It misses a key dense office corridor at Consumers road. At a minimum it would be better to extend the subway to Victoria Park or convert the entire route to LRT and make the existing subway LRT underground like Eglinton.
Steve X
Senior Member
It's all political. There is much LRT hate in Scarborough so Rapid Transit will keep their mouths shut for now.
georgevicbell
Active Member
Somebody should just make a motion to change it to a separated bike highway (go full on solar panelled express 4 lane bike track, with misting and cooling stations every 100 metres)...just to piss off Scarborough...
Hopkins123
Senior Member
That's too controversial to imagine with a majority of Scarborough Councillors, MPPs and MPs that all previously had campaigned and won their respective elections on advancing the subway extension cause. More likely they'll defer til the 2023 Federal election to make a final decision, which will likely be a subway.
SELRT is more of that parochial line of thinking that one mode of transit suits all when frankly it doesn't. East of Midland could easily be operated with mere express buses while boosting the Don Mills to Scarborough Centre piece which a) has to be underground anyway to Victoria Park, b) can be completely operated elevated southeast of Agincourt saving costs and c) can easily be extended to Malvern Town Centre via the same alignment as the SRT via Centennial College. These are big advantages the subway has that the LRT in a straight line to Meadowvale never will have.
When Richmond Hill, Vaughan, UTSC, the Airport and the downtown core all get new grade separated transit within this same timeframe; it will only look petty and vindictive not to pursue a northern crosstown line.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
To elaborate:
The Yonge Line is at capacity. The Yonge Line will remain at capacity, even with our currently planned relief measures, which are the Relief Line Short (to Danforth) and SmartTrack. The Relief Line Long is needed to get Yonge back to a decent operation condition. This'll cost us $10 Billion, and is absolutely a prerequisite for any new transit lines feeding into Yonge Line. Sheppard's extension isn't happening without the Relief Line Long. This'll tie up capital funding for quite a while.
Beyond that, the landscape at Council is quickly changing, and it's not changing in favour of Sheppard Subway. Old Toronto will be getting 3 new wards in 2018. If the Sheppard Subway couldn't get passed under the favourable conditions of Mayor Ford, it won't be passed under thee conditions. 8 years after 2018 (2026), the wards will be redistributed again, and the map should tilt even more opposed to the Sheppard extension. Ford's Sheppard extension attempt was probably the most favourable conditions for a Sheppard Subway extension we'll have seen in decades.
Beyond that, the Yonge North Subway Extension is a bigger priority than the Sheppard Extension. Sheppard is way down the priority list.
Sheppard will be extended eventually, but not anytime soon. Maybe in 25 years.
Midtown Urbanist
Superstar
The way the planners were talking about Sheppard at the presentation today, it seems that the SELRT is all but dead.
In the interim, Sheppard is getting bus lanes.
In the interim, Sheppard is getting bus lanes.
UD2
Active Member
Did they mention bus lanes? If so then what type of bus lanes?
In all honesty a BRT on sheppard is probably all we need. As long as they can figure out a good way of funneling the buses across the 404 bridge, then it would be very good.
In all honesty a BRT on sheppard is probably all we need. As long as they can figure out a good way of funneling the buses across the 404 bridge, then it would be very good.