[Xav]

Montreal and Quebec to invest $565 million in metro system

The governments of Quebec and Montreal announced on Monday that they would invest more than $565 million to improve the Montreal metro system. The money will equip the blue line with a new train control system.

montreal.ctvnews.ca

565M invested to modernize the Blue Line and install CBTC. They'll do the blue line first because of the extension and it will be a test for the other lines to follow.

 

[treplow]

I thought the REM De l'Est was dead? Or at least truncated to avoid the downtown section.

 

[Xav]

I thought the REM De l'Est was dead? Or at least truncated to avoid the downtown section.

The downtown portion is cut, it will be a line that runs west from Pointe-aux-Trembles and then north to Montréal-Nord. It will have another name as CDPQi is no longer part of the project.

 

[nfitz]

No. They said there could be potential extensions of REM de l'Est to Lanaudière in the future.

Is there a map somewhere - I was having problems Googling.

 

[Xav]

Is there a map somewhere - I was having problems Googling.

Basically it would take over the Lanaudière portion of Mascouche line. The latest working report explains that extensions to Laval and Mascouche would not generate much ridership and would require much more analysis. The only extension that makes sense would be in RdP.

 

[ARG1]

Basically it would take over the Lanaudière portion of Mascouche line. The latest working report explains that extensions to Laval and Mascouche would not generate much ridership and would require much more analysis. The only extension that makes sense would be in RdP.

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Look at how they massacred my boy

 

[Xav]

The upper left image in my previous post (base build without extensions) would have a ridership of 18,000 at the start of operations, and would generate a driver conversion rate of 17%, according to the report. The new project also provides more connectivity (at Assomption on the green line, at Lacordaire on the Blue line, at the Saint-Léonard train station on the Mascouche commuter rail line and at the future Henri-Bourassa BRT). The project will also include capacity improvements to the Green line (CBTC, potential platform screen doors). The Montréal-Nord-Assomption-Mercier Est portion will be underground, while the Sherbrooke st. portion will be above ground. There is some debate as to what to do in Mercier-Est:

The black rectangle is the 400m transition between underground and above-ground sections.

The final report will be released in 5 months, and will look further into budgets, stations (especially their size) and mode (although everything points to REM-style automated medium-capacity rail).

 

[ARG1]

The final report will be released in 5 months, and will look further into budgets, stations (especially their size) and mode (although everything points to REM-style automated medium-capacity rail).

Get ready for 100% low-floor LRVs

 

[Xav]

Get ready for 100% low-floor LRVs

We're not Ontario

 

[Xav]

I ALMOST FORGOT. There is also this idea to not build anything under Mercier-Est and have two lines. Big Scarborough RT vibes!

 

[p_xavier]

About transit construction costs in Montreal. Since the Laval metro extension cost "fiasco" at 750M$, all capital intensive projects in Quebec that are financed have the interest costs and related projects built in the price.

So the blue line extension at 5G$ has big chunk of that amount just for debt interest. CDPQi doesn't do debt, hence the big cost difference per km. I doubt journalists even know that.

Per the QC government accounting rules, a 500k$ house in Ontario could be 750k$ in QC because you finance it over 25 years. Thus you can't directly compare costs with other cities with Montreal because of those accounting rules.

 

[p_xavier]

Now "experts" are saying that a dowtown link is required because of the green line being incapable of absorbing the additional users.

REM de l’Est | Sans connexion au centre-ville, la ligne verte en voie d’être surchargée

La ligne verte du métro de Montréal devrait accueillir au moins 10 % d’achalandage en plus et voir ses stations de correspondance exploser en nombre d’usagers si le REM de l’Est n’obtient pas de connexion avec le centre-ville, a appris La Presse. La situation fait dire à des experts qu’il faut...

www.lapresse.ca

 

[Xav]

Now "experts" are saying that a dowtown link is required because of the green line being incapable of absorbing the additional users.

REM de l’Est | Sans connexion au centre-ville, la ligne verte en voie d’être surchargée

La ligne verte du métro de Montréal devrait accueillir au moins 10 % d’achalandage en plus et voir ses stations de correspondance exploser en nombre d’usagers si le REM de l’Est n’obtient pas de connexion avec le centre-ville, a appris La Presse. La situation fait dire à des experts qu’il faut...

www.lapresse.ca

On Twitter this expert clarified his thoughts and said he was not worried about the green line going over capacity. His point is that he doesn't want the East to be left with half of a solution.

The green line would be able to absorb the additional users, especially with plans to convert it to Azur trains by 2036 and with CBTC/other capacity improvements.

 

[p_xavier]

On Twitter this expert clarified his thoughts and said he was not worried about the green line going over capacity. His point is that he doesn't want the East to be left with half of a solution.

The green line would be able to absorb the additional users, especially with plans to convert it to Azur trains by 2036 and with CBTC/other capacity improvements.

Not the stations without massive upgrades.

 

[Xav]

Not the stations without massive upgrades.

The expert is vouching for a link that runs from Hôpital Maisonneuve-Rosemont in the east end through Rosemont and Plateau that connects with the orange line at Sherbrooke and the green line at Saint-Laurent before ending at Gare Centrale. Is that idea more expensive than "massive station upgrades" on the green line?