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ARG1
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Regardless, if all of these systems were to be built in Europe, they would be called trams or tram-trains. Only in the Anglosphere did people feel the necessity to invent a brand new term to name these systems.
officedweller
Senior Member
It has a face!
NoahB
Active Member
Prolongement de la ligne bleue | Encore plus cher et encore plus en retard
N’achetez pas immédiatement votre billet pour la ligne bleue direction Anjou : le projet de prolongement du métro de Montréal sera plus long et plus coûteux que prévu, passant à près de 8 milliards de dollars, selon un document récemment soumis à Québec. Ce dernier prévoit aussi au moins un an...
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Blue Line Extention's earliest opening date is now 2031.
Now expected to cost 7.6+ billion.
Only one company bid on the contract and is extracting concessions from the city.
The deadline to sign the core construction contract is July 30.
Montreal's transit-building renaissance seems to have been a mirage.
ARG1
Senior Member
Its almost as if the renaissance was spearheaded by a single company, and now that they've been kicked out its back to status quo.Prolongement de la ligne bleue | Encore plus cher et encore plus en retard
N’achetez pas immédiatement votre billet pour la ligne bleue direction Anjou : le projet de prolongement du métro de Montréal sera plus long et plus coûteux que prévu, passant à près de 8 milliards de dollars, selon un document récemment soumis à Québec. Ce dernier prévoit aussi au moins un an...
Blue Line Extention's earliest opening date is now 2031.
Now expected to cost 7.6+ billion.
Only one company bid on the contract and is extracting concessions from the city.
The deadline to sign the core construction contract is July 30.
Montreal's transit-building renaissance seems to have been a mirage.
NoahB
Active Member
Yes, by a crown corporation with a vision.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
The original modern light rail systems (Calgary, Edmonton, San Diego) are based on the German model of fast high-floor tram implemented in cities like Köln, Essen, Frankfurt, etc. Those systems are known in German as Stadtbahn, which is a brand new term they invented to name those systems.
Dan416
Senior Member
Personally I think it's a shame we don't have high floor LRTs, as it seems like those systems get proper stations built instead of the bare bones stops that Hurontario and Finch got.
urbancog
Active Member
The Ontario Line trains are really high-floor LRTs / Stadtbahn vehicles. The Provincial Govt calls the line a Subway for it's own reasons.
NoahB
Active Member
The Ontario Line vehicles will not be designed to work in contexts that include cars. That in itself will exclude it from being an "LRT" in the common American/Canadian sense or a Stadtbahn in the German sense.
Just because they have pantographs does not make it a Stadtbahn.
The REM and Ontario Line are functionally identical. The latter will have more capacity and use different models for rolling stock and signaling. Nobody will call the REM a Stadtbahn. The REM's translators called it an 'LRT'/'métro léger' because they wanted to distinguish it from the existing Montreal Metro as it has its own operator and was potentially gonna has a separate fare scheme.
Metrolinx/TTC have no reason to distinguish the Ontario Line from the Subway network.
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ssiguy2
Senior Member
How does a 7km extension in the suburbs turn into $1 billion per km?
ARG1
Senior Member
Only having 1 firm bid, where they're able to demand any form of easement they wish.
Bureaucromancer
Active Member
They really aren't though. Compare the likes of a Copenhagen or Vancouver to Calgary or Frankfurt. These are the upper end of light metro (of the sort derived from actual metros), not the of tram derived things... which is in no way a slight to somewhere like Frankfurt that makes the lineage works perfectly well in a full metro context, it's just not the same thing.
And yes, even this is a blurry line if you look at the DLR.
ssiguy2
Senior Member
Question...............Why can't the Metro go elevated? I know it's runner tired but that shouldn't make any difference in snow with the weight and power of a Metro train. I can see slippage in ice but that could be easily resolved by just putting in heat mechanisms on the rails. If elevated, they could build it much faster and much cheaper.
ARG1
Senior Member
Because the rubber tyre metro technology doesn't do well in snow/inclement weather, as such if it needs to surface it would need to be built similarly to Sapporo where the entire line is covered to protect it from the elements.
Not to mention this a city where REM B was cancelled over daring to have elevated rail on city streets, imagine how a fully covered metro will be received.
Sapporo for Reference: