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If that actually is the case this is complete and utter b******t. Case numbers keep going up while the province keeps mandating weak restrictions. Lock down the bloody province, shut the goddamn big box stores and initiate a m***********g curfew.

Until we get serious case numbers will not go down. Look at Wuhan and Australia even parts of Europe. They had some of the strictest lockdowns around and they got the numbers under control.

We initiate a "lockdown" and nothing happens.
While there is an argument for the government to do more, I think a curfew would be one of those things that achieves very little. Is there anywhere that has a definitive list of what is causing the spread? If it’s workplaces, we should crackdown on employers who aren’t doing all they can to provide a safe environment. Sick people shouldn’t be going into work. Something needs to be worked out between the government and employers. If it’s retail, we should have stricter rules like we did in the first wave. Just from what I’ve see many of the big stores don’t seem to care about capacity anymore.
 
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What's interesting w/the above is how it might be masked by aggregate data.

There are (some) surplus ICU beds in Toronto

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This also begs the question, if there are (were) 196 open ICU beds in Toronto, why are we sending patients to Ptbo?

Aside from hassle, that seems incredibly expensive.
 
Perhaps because of lower risk? (although the risk of transporting someone is a factor too) A family member works in a hospital with no current COVID cases, and they are receiving non-COVID ICU patients. It could also have to do with available staffing.
 
All this for a virus that can barely kill anyone under 70. Almost 300 people die daily in Ontario from various causes and we've never taken such extreme measures to prevent all those deaths, but covid is the ONE THING that we need to throw out all logic and reasoning for and its the virus that we have to stop at all costs no matter what the long term damage will be to the province and its people. :rolleyes:
Hey, e.Coli doesn't actually kill that many people who contract it. Perhaps we should just give up on controlling that, too?

There are plenty of terms I'd like to call you right now, but I'll keep those to myself. Other than that, I think you should just leave these forums, period.
 
Poor woman got a $3,000 ticket for breaking curfew. She was driving back from visiting her sick dad. I'm calling BS on the officer can't speak English. He was just being ignorant and chose not to speak English.


They will contest it; if there's any justice they will win.

But this illustrates the problems of curfew well; completely apart from there be no evidence it will curtail the spread of Covid.
 
If that actually is the case this is complete and utter b******t. Case numbers keep going up while the province keeps mandating weak restrictions. Lock down the bloody province, shut the goddamn big box stores and initiate a m***********g curfew.

Until we get serious case numbers will not go down. Look at Wuhan and Australia even parts of Europe. They had some of the strictest lockdowns around and they got the numbers under control.

We initiate a "lockdown" and nothing happens.

Why don't you lead by example and lock yourself up at home in the evenings? Or have you already been doing this the last few weeks?

Be the hero we sorely need.
 
I don't the point of a curfew. If you want everyone to stay inside except for groceries and walking the dog, just say so. Make it a 24 hour curfew. I've got provisions here to last a couple of weeks easy.

Yeah, I don't see why I should be expected to go to work but then confined to my home in the evenings as if I'm in some sort of work camp.

Which is it? Am I working or am I locked away? I ain't doing both, this isn't Xinjiang.
 
There are plenty of terms I'd like to call you right now, but I'll keep those to myself. Other than that, I think you should just leave these forums, period.

Perhaps I missed something in regards to @Max Sterling 's posting elsewhere but I have to ask, why do you say this? Contrarian thought no good?

They bring up a good point: some of the long-term damage done by our plague restrictions won't be half the forgettable hypothetical some people seem to think it is. See for example, the very real and very damaging long-term consequences of keeping children out of school in cases of age groups where socialisation is extremely important.
Or the massive long-term mental health impacts (I know, as a society we still don't take mental health seriously, but that doesn't make society correct) not just in the general population, but especially in cases where women and/or children are stuck in abusive homes.

Discounting long-term damage to individual and societal health is just as stupid as ignoring the dangers of the current plague......and arguably moreso given the acute nature of viral damage as opposed to some of the lingering--and in cases of abuse and trauma multigenerational--damage caused by our responses to it.

Is the life of someone who has lived a long and good one worth more, less, or the same as someone who is just starting out theirs?
I personally believe that a child's right to a chance at a decent life is more important than the right to life of someone who has already lived a long one and is in their last days in decrepit state. Does that make me a bad person?

Before anyone wonders, my grandparents are all dead. Last one died in Europe last summer. Not of plague, by the way. He was getting too decrepit to live on his own at 94 and they were about to put him in a home. He thought better of it and kicked the bucket. Smart man. "Natural death" was the official cause. I think it was "Aversion to warehousing", seeing as he's related to me. Old people die and in a lot of cases are better off dead than living the sad shell of a life they inhabit.

I know, we're neurologically wired to respond to threats in certain, often short-sighted, ways and this has been evident these last 10 or so months, but rationally thinking through our reactions to the plague would do us a world of good.
 
I'll wager a C-note it gets tossed. In fact, I'll wager a C-note that the vast majority of these tickets brought before court will get tossed.

Good news, the infamous CEO has now lost his other job..................he is now CEO of nothing, as it should be.


My only hope now is that his severance payments are minimal.

Sigh, so much for my hopes.

The reward for unethical and hypocritical behavior is a 7-figure pay out.............

 

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