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APTA-2048
Senior Member
Honestly, the most useless thing might be the curfew.
I don't think it provides the help that would be worth the hassle of enforcement.
I will say, though, ICU numbers in Ontario are a little concerning. Catching up to 2nd wave numbers.
Northern Light
Superstar
There is no scientific evidence in support of a curfew; and in fact; the evidence such as it is, leans the other way.
Because people will simply gather in one fashion or another (shopping, work etc.) within the time available, meaning the same number of people in less space which equals increased crowding.
Its utterly foolish.
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As to ICU numbers..........let's look at the graph courtesy Dr. Jennifer Kwan MD:
That's not setting off any alarm bells for me..........at least not yet.
Lets also look at hospitalizations:
gabe
Senior Member
Well there is a lot of unknowns at this point. Across Canada hospitals are dealing with a shortage of staff. An ICU bed is only called that if there is a qualified team to manage it. ICU beds are useless without qualified staff. It should be public knowledge to know what those numbers are.
Northern Light
Superstar
All you had to do was ask.......
Original Data Source:
Dataset - Ontario Data Catalogue
Beds available as listed by CCO (Critical Care Ontario) are considered to be staffed and ready.
Bayer
Senior Member
Jonathan Kay is not the first person I would ask; anyway, this is just the beginning. January and February won't be pleasant for anyone needing medical care in this province.All you had to do was ask.......
Original Data Source:
Dataset - Ontario Data Catalogue
covid-19.ontario.ca
Beds available as listed by CCO (Critical Care Ontario) are considered to be staffed and ready.
Northern Light
Superstar
I did cite the original data, which is from the government of Ontario.
The data is not in dispute.
Mr. Kay was merely an observant of it, not postulating anything novel.
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I'm all about the science, on this and every other subject.
Facts, supported by evidence which can be corroborated.
gabe
Senior Member
All you had to do was ask.......
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Original Data Source:
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Dataset - Ontario Data Catalogue
Beds available as listed by CCO (Critical Care Ontario) are considered to be staffed and ready.
That's the 29th. Unless you have a crystal ball, we have no idea what the ICU will look like in the weeks to come. Hospitals have dealt with shortages this entire pandemic.
Northern Light
Superstar
The 29th is yesterday, which is the most recent data available.
No one has a crystal ball; the most you can do is extrapolate trendlines forward.
You seem to start from your opinion, then consider evidence only if it supports your thesis; and dismiss the rest.
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AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Extrapolating trendlines for things that have gone exponential is a dicey thing, at best. The experiences in UK - which is somewhat ahead of us in the curve, offers some clues:
globalnews.ca
We shall see when and where it peaks. In the meantime, the NHS seems to be acting with more prudence than we are.
AoD
U.K. health officials build up hospital capacity to prepare for Omicron surge - National | Globalnews.ca
The United Kingdom reported a record 183,037 confirmed new COVID-19 infections on Wednesday, 32 per cent more than the previous day.
globalnews.ca
We shall see when and where it peaks. In the meantime, the NHS seems to be acting with more prudence than we are.
AoD
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DirectionNorth
Active Member
The UK's hospitalizations are trending down. They had Omicron earlier than us.
Pro-lockdown people are shifting goalposts. First, it's "We don't know anything about hospitalization", then "South Africa is a young and poor country", then "We don't know the effects of vaccinations on Omicron", and now it's "It's not happened elsewhere but it's going to happen here for an unspecified reason."
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
See the Global News piece above. Also:
UK: Daily new hospital admissions for COVID-19
Hospital data is available for individual UK nations, and English data by NHS Region. Figures are not comparable between nations as Wales includes suspected COVID-19 patients while the other nations only include confirmed cases.
ourworldindata.org
I don't believe that's trending down. What your data has shown is variations in the plateau period between what, August to late December, which from the latest data is clearly something that hasn't held.
AoD
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DirectionNorth
Active Member
Your data seems different than mine ... their restrictions are also much laxer (is that a word?)See the Global News piece above. Also:
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UK: Daily new hospital admissions for COVID-19
Hospital data is available for individual UK nations, and English data by NHS Region. Figures are not comparable between nations as Wales includes suspected COVID-19 patients while the other nations only include confirmed cases.
I don't believe that's trending down. What your data has shown is variations in the plateau period between what, August to late December, which from the latest data is clearly something that hasn't held.
AoD
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Your data ended on December 24th (and I couldn't even tell if there are data quality issues on the last two days of that chart - if I had to guess, I'd think it's delayed reporting). And what does hospitalization has to do with restrictions? The latter should only affect the infection rate, not the rate of hospitalization among those who had been infected (generally speaking).
AoD
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Globulon
New Member
Travis Kann - Deputy Chief of Staff for Strategic Communications to the Premier of Ontario.
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