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And it used to be all about what? Culture?
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No...it was about control. Gambling was seen as a "controlled substance" like booze, that needed to be run by traditionally conservative Ontario social reforming.

That's the strange thing about conservatives...they have completely changed. They used to be about social reforming, but have made a complete change of face and are now in favour of anything as long as it has the appearance of saving them from paying taxes.

And that is the problem with the conservative-thinking mind....no matter what they think, they are always wrong.
 
freshcutgrass said:
That has to be one of the most comical statements I've ever heard.
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Ohh, is that so...its you that cant face the facts and reality, that this city of 5.5 million people is finally in the market for a casino
you're even bringing political views into it, which is a bunch of BS if i've ever heard
 
this city of 5.5 million people is finally in the market for a casino
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Yes...I'm all excited at the prospect of joining the ranks of Niagara falls, Windsor and Rama, Ontario. You've finally made it Toronto!!!

Anyplace is a market for gambling, so it can't be regarded as feather in our cap.

Casinos are for Losers...literally.

Ontario should change it's slogan from:

Ontario...Your's To Discover

to

Ontario...We Need More Losers
 
freshcutgrass said:
Yes...I'm all excited at the prospect of joining the ranks of Niagara falls, Windsor and Rama, Ontario. You've finally made it Toronto!!!

Anyplace is a market for gambling, so it can't be regarded as feather in our cap.

Casinos are for Losers...literally.

Ontario should change it's slogan from:

Ontario...Your's To Discover

to

Ontario...We Need More Losers
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Gee, you should check out the World Casino Directory....http://www.worldcasinodirectory.com/ to realize that Ontario is not the only place in the world that operates Casinos
 
As much as I recognize that a Toronto casino will generate revenue, you can't ignore the fact that it will also facilitate the myriad of gamblers who are otherwise shuttling out to Fallsview or Casino Rama. One may take the stance that the audience is already there and we're just bringing the casino closer to them, however one may also take the stance that casinos do not add any value to a neighborhood or community. Unless a huge amount of money is poured into the design, construction, marketing, maintenance, operation and equipment, the casino simply won't be a big enough draw to garner tourists to come to the city. We're not generating new revenue here but rather diverting it away from Niagara Falls, ON or Rama, ON.
 
James:

No doubt, but not all the tourists who visit Toronto will head to Niagara Falls or Rama. A well designed casino/entertainment complex should be aimed at that particular population.

AoD
 
neubilder said:
What would Frederick Law Olmsted do with a site like this? That is the question that needs to be asked for a site as scarce and prominent as this.
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Olmsted would create a park and then ban the playing of games in said park. He would also establish a whole bunch of rules to essentially preclude the free use of the park by the immigrant labourers who built the park. Mostly, he would try to keep the Irish out.

But, after a couple of generations, the sting of Olmsted's myopic bigotry would have faded and, whatever he had built would be widely acknowledged as really nice.
 
AlvinofDiaspar said:
James:

No doubt, but not all the tourists who visit Toronto will head to Niagara Falls or Rama. A well designed casino/entertainment complex should be aimed at that particular population.

AoD
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Precisely. This is why if we're going to implement a casino, it has to be done right the first time. A lacklustre effort will relegate this casino to 'has been' status pretty quick.
 
voxpopulicosmicum said:
Olmsted would create a park and then ban the playing of games in said park. He would also establish a whole bunch of rules to essentially preclude the free use of the park by the immigrant labourers who built the park. Mostly, he would try to keep the Irish out.

But, after a couple of generations, the sting of Olmsted's myopic bigotry would have faded and, whatever he had built would be widely acknowledged as really nice.
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Where are you getting this from?

I've studied Olmstead at length and have never come across anything to suggest anything bigoted about his thinking or his approach. On the contrary, He saw parks as a democratizing and civilizing agent in cities. On slavery, he saw the practice as "morally odious" and was an anti slavery activist.

Here is a passage from Wikipedia:
"The design of Central Park embodies Olmsted's social consciousness and commitment to egalitarian ideals. Influenced by Downing and his own observations regarding social class in England, China and the American South, Olmsted believed that the common green space must always be equally accessible to all citizens. This principle is now fundamental to the idea of a "public park", but was not assumed as necessary then. Olmsted's tenure as park commissioner in New York was a long struggle to preserve that idea."

Am I reading the pasteurized versions of history books? I sincerely hope you are mistaken.
**I found some original texts and quotations by Olmstead himself, and I have to conclude that to call Olmstead a bigot is false.
 
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