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rdaner said:
The plot thickens as the Feds are giving the Vancouver Science Centre $42m. Wouldn’t it be funny if this whole thing was just about getting money from Ottawa?

www.theglobeandmail.com

Federal government announces $19-million for Science World upgrades in B.C.

Upgrades expected to cut Science World’s greenhouse-gas emissions, reduce energy consumption by 42 per cent
www.theglobeandmail.com www.theglobeandmail.com
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The Current Ontario Science Centre needs a whole lot more then 19 million. We are talking about 300 million dollars for upgrades to the current facility.
 
rdaner said:
The plot thickens as the Feds are giving the Vancouver Science Centre $42m. Wouldn’t it be funny if this whole thing was just about getting money from Ottawa?

www.theglobeandmail.com

Federal government announces $19-million for Science World upgrades in B.C.

Upgrades expected to cut Science World’s greenhouse-gas emissions, reduce energy consumption by 42 per cent
www.theglobeandmail.com www.theglobeandmail.com
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eehhh it seems targeted towards green energy retrofits. Im sure the feds would be okay with ponying up money for it, if it only was for green upgrades.
 
rdaner said:
The plot thickens as the Feds are giving the Vancouver Science Centre $42m. Wouldn’t it be funny if this whole thing was just about getting money from Ottawa?
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I personally think they have more nefarious reasons for closing OSC, but yeah...
 
^I imagine that any Federal contribution would be a bit larger. I can guarantee you that they are part of what must be intense negotiations behind closed doors! 🚪 💰🔬🔭
 
rdaner said:
The plot thickens as the Feds are giving the Vancouver Science Centre $19m. Wouldn’t it be funny if this whole thing was just about getting money from Ottawa?

www.theglobeandmail.com

Federal government announces $19-million for Science World upgrades in B.C.

Upgrades expected to cut Science World’s greenhouse-gas emissions, reduce energy consumption by 42 per cent
www.theglobeandmail.com www.theglobeandmail.com
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I doubt so, but the Hamilton LRT cancellation was exactly this ploy if I remember correctly (it was previously entirely funded by Hamilton & the province, while its resurrected form now has federal funding).

Like what others have said, I think the excuse for closing down the OSC is really to prepare for the move down to Ontario Place, cut ongoing costs, and eventually offload an ageing, expensive facility; with the engineering report being the excuse given to the public.

UtakataNoAnnex said:
I personally think they have more nefarious reasons for closing OSC, but yeah...
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I doubt there is really much to do with any redevelopment of the site itself, since the lands are city-owned. I think in the end, the city will be left holding onto the bag that is the OSC site.
 
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The opposition is getting organized!

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I don't believe this piece has been posted yet, even though it was published July 2nd.

From Canadian Architect: (by Elsa Lam)

www.canadianarchitect.com

Cost of Ontario Science Centre temporary location exceeds cost of roof repairs

The time required to set up a temporary location will mean that there is no Science Centre location for two years; the RFP also reveals that a new Science Centre at Ontario Place would not be ready until 2030-2034.
www.canadianarchitect.com www.canadianarchitect.com

Of note from the above:

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And

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There's lots more good stuff in the piece and I would encourage the interested to go give it a read.
 
Northern Light said:
I don't believe this piece has been posted yet, even though it was published July 2nd.

From Canadian Architect: (by Elsa Lam)

www.canadianarchitect.com

Cost of Ontario Science Centre temporary location exceeds cost of roof repairs

The time required to set up a temporary location will mean that there is no Science Centre location for two years; the RFP also reveals that a new Science Centre at Ontario Place would not be ready until 2030-2034.
www.canadianarchitect.com www.canadianarchitect.com

Of note from the above:

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And

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There's lots more good stuff in the piece and I would encourage the interested to go give it a read.
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Yea i read this a few days ago, just had to laugh at the absuridty.
Were going to spend tens of millions on the buildout and lease of a massive retail site thats ideally going to be open for maybe 2 years.
Like whats the point, just use that to keep the current one open.

Man such easy PR blunders

Their next article really goes into where that original $450 million for the full...lets call it "revitalization" comes from.
Its sooo much less than that. While id prefer to get brand new exhibits "cosmetic upgrades" as he calls it. he really shows that this number really comes out of napkin math.
Its getting very very hard to defend this. Even I can smell the bs
www.canadianarchitect.com

The true cost of repairing the Ontario Science Centre is much, much less than what Infrastructure Ontario has been saying—and the proof is in its own documents

Two figures have been cited by the Ontario Government: $478 million and $369 million. The actual number is much less—around $200 million, or just $24 million for tackling priority repairs to keep the museum open for several years to come.
www.canadianarchitect.com www.canadianarchitect.com
 
It's one of those cases where it doesn't matter if the government is right or wrong in doing this, rather it's about the fact they can do it seems more important to them.. especially.if it appears to be sticking it to the people who would naturally oppose this. Kinda like when they cut City Council in half...

...I hope that this isn't the case, but it's never good when government refuses to listen to reason...no matter how sound, researched and principled it is. Because being wrong here was never the issue in the first place. /sigh
 
I’m sorry but this whole ‘too expensive to renovate’ argument is absurd and getting very annoying! Roof issues of buildings this size are common and there are practical, time tested solutions out there. What would a Soviet engineer with smarts but limited resources have done? How about ask the Aga Khan Museum if there was ever a case in the Islamic world where a wide-span roof needed reinforcing in a way that wasn’t ugly? I bet there was! 🤪
 
Just a few thoughts. Ford states that the new centre would be ‘bigger.’ This is new as previous statements implied a much smaller facility. And what sections require repairs on a case-by-case basis. This is a complex with distinct phases. Maybe keep half and demolish the rest? Pragmatic incrementalism anyone?! And what about the high school? Closing?
 
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