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evandyk said:
At this point, though, is there any difference between #2 and #3? The only difference is the election result, not the party's strategy.
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Let's see. Maybe there will be no different whatsoever and Harris bringing her party to a Kim Campbell-like loss in November. Everyone will blame Biden for that, much as we do Mulroney for Campbell's.
 
Dan416 said:
So I'm not quite sure why he and the Party are so stuck on continuing this course.
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They've reversed course pretty hard on immigration. Provinces, corporations, and educational institutions are already bellyaching about the changes.
 
Admiral Beez said:
This! Plus broken promises of 2015 of a balanced budget by 2019 and electoral reform. A balanced budget by 2019 (AKA getting your house in order during good times in preparation for rainy days), would have prepared the nation financially to weather the Covid crisis. Why did Trudeau think that increasing immigration in excess of growth rate in housing and employment would be a good thing? Why would increasing TFWs (outside of seasonal agriculture) and foreign students to thus decrease both wages and work opportunities for Canadians, as well as making our economy more dependent on low skilled labour from the subcontinent instead of focusing on innovation and growing high skilled employment, be a good thing?

The LPC has three paths going into 2025, and only one has a chance of maintaining power.
  1. The Mother Wynne model. Premier Kathleen Wynne ignores, more than a year before the 2018 election that her personal unpopularity was tanking the OLP's chances, and stays to the end. Result: record loss: down from 55 seats to 7 seats.
  2. The Brian Mulroney model. Ignoring his record unpopularity, Mulroney waits until June 1993 to resign, a mere three months before Parliament was due to expire, throwing his replacement, the mostly unknown Kim Campbell straight over a glass cliff in the Oct 1993 election. Result: Record loss: down from 154 seats to 2 seats.
  3. The Democratic Party (US) Switcheroo: Biden is deeply unpopular, but he doesn't cancel his candidacy until after his opponent Trump has spent his powder and made his campaign entirely focused on Biden. Then, Biden drops out, putting the GOP campaign into disarray and resetting the narrative and vibe for potential voters, now making Trump seem like the extreme populist nutcase.
The third model, that of the early exit and new leader is the LPC's only chance. Yes, VP Harris has about the same amount of time that Kim Campbell had between drop to election, but Harris also has the benefit of hundreds of millions $$ in ad money and is not unknown to Americans. But these differences aside, the model works for the LPC. So, Jan 2025, Trudeau announces that he's not running in the next election, and the LPC (also unlike the Dems) has a quick convention and appoints a new champion. This champion MUST be able to hold current and former LPC voters, plus appeal to Bloc, NDP and soft-Con voters.
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I absolutely HATE IT that were stuck with three parties to chose from, I hate how our election system works, it makes me question if my vote is even worth it.

I absolutely ador the european voting systems where you have lots of parties to vote for that then form coalitions and etc.
 
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Who is advising the Liberals?

There is a famous quote:

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results"
 
Brands said:
Who is advising the Liberals?

There is a famous quote:

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results"
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While I take all sorts of issue w/the current government...................this thread is not meant to be an open-ended rant against any government.

IF you have a specific critique, or an opinion on a specific policy decision or PR tack...........you should specify that, and link to same.

PS Its a good quote (or approximation of same); to which the proper attribution is in dispute. Long held by many to belong to Albert Einstein, the evidence for same is poor. Some suggest Civil Rights activist Rita Mae Brown as the source, but that's exactly definitive either.
 
kEiThZ said:
While the Bloc is pushing for more generous OAS:

globalnews.ca

Canada’s fertility rate has hit a record low. What’s behind the drop? - National | Globalnews.ca

Statistics Canada reported on Wednesday that the Canadian fertility rate in 2023 was 1.26 children per woman, which is the lowest recorded level.
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This country hates young people and sees them as nothing more but income slaves for the wrinkled.
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Even countries with the most progressive, generous and pro-family societies, such as Norway, Finland and Portugal are struggling with low birth rates. India’s birthrate is plummeting towards China-levels of decline. Once Africa sorts itself out the global birthrate will begin to decline. So, the world is going to have to sort out how to carry on without income slaves.
 
afransen said:
Some of those startups will decamp for the US but some remain in Canada (like Shopify, Open Text, etc.). If the US is not interested in retaining this talent, and Canada can provide a convenient platform for many of them to land.
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Apparently we’re too lazy.

www.thestar.com

Lack of ambition in Canada creating ‘600-pound beaver in the room’: Shopify president

TORONTO - The president of e-commerce giant Shopify Inc. is calling on Canada to address a problem he calls "the 600-pound beaver in the room."
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Admiral Beez said:
Apparently we’re too lazy.

www.thestar.com

Lack of ambition in Canada creating ‘600-pound beaver in the room’: Shopify president

TORONTO - The president of e-commerce giant Shopify Inc. is calling on Canada to address a problem he calls "the 600-pound beaver in the room."
www.thestar.com www.thestar.com
Paywall free: https://archive.is/0DGZt
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I'm not sure it's laziness. Cautiousness/conservatism. Venture funding is not as plentiful in Canada. Founders are maybe a bit more reliant on 'friends and family' and less inclined to burn that network by taking the same kinds of risks.
 
kEiThZ said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1841563828561313950
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For clarity, today's motion is non-binding on the government.

They don't even have to confer the royal recommendation for the bill in question.

So they've all punted for a few days/weeks.

What the Liberals need, assuming they don't want an early election, is a variation of the bill the NDP can buy into.

That would mean voting for the increase on the GIS side; but on the OAS side, either stripping it out, or, better, financing it entirely by clawing OAS back from higher income earners.

If they moved the phase out from ~$145,000 or so to $100,000 or something like that, and it should cover it.
 
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