[old boy]

This is how dipsocracies are made.

The word “dipsocracy” combines two Greek roots: dipso- meaning “thirst,” cf. “dipsomania,” and -cracy meaning “rule,” cf. “democracy.”

Ontario under Doug Ford is a textbook example of a dipsocracy.

Dipstickocracy is more like it.

 

[jje1000]

No issue is too small to catch Doug's attention!

Somali community centre plan in Etobicoke park facing uncertainty after Doug Ford sides with upset residents​

Somali community centre plan in Etobicoke park facing uncertainty after Doug Ford sides with upset residents

With political opposition mounting, it looks increasingly likely the centre won't be built at Buttonwood Park, and could be moved to a new site.

www.thestar.com

Honestly it seems more like a consultation failure on the part of the city despite the Ford article title.

However, Buttonwood Park wasn’t revealed as the preferred location until June, just days before a recommendation to approve an initial 30-year land lease with SCCR was set to go to a meeting of Chow’s executive.

Residents taken off guard by the proposal voiced their anger at the June 18 meeting, and the mayor — who voted for the plan in April — agreed that “somehow the process got messed up, and the community didn’t understand or know that it was happening.” Her committee deferred consideration of the plan at least until this month.

With the councilors and Ford supporting a new location, the community centre will definitely find a new location nearby.

 

[DSC]

I see Dougie is hopping on the bandwagon:

Now he can try to claim it was all his doing...

 

[afransen]

Find a parade and get in front of it.

 

[Jonny5]

Oops. So much for these 600 jobs. Even with heavy government subsidies they couldn't make it work.

Umicore says it has halted spending on a $2.76-billion battery materials plant in eastern Ontario.

The global materials company says it made the decision because of scaled-back expectations for growth in the electric vehicle market.

Last October, the federal government committed to put $551.3 million toward the project and the Ontario government said it would spend up to $424.6 million in capital costs.

Umicore says it is conducting a strategic review of its battery materials and will provide an update in the first quarter of next year.
The plant had previously expected to begin production in 2026 and create around 600 jobs.​

Toronto, Canada & Global Breaking News – CP24

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[Northern Light]

Oops. So much for these 600 jobs. Even with heavy government subsidies they couldn't make it work.

Toronto, Canada & Global Breaking News – CP24

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You know, there's not one electric-charger in the parking lots of my apartment complex. Some things need attention if the market for said vehicles is going to grow.

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I do hope the government(s) didn't contribute any upfront dollars, and put a hold on any contributions.

 

[Richard White]

You know, there's not one electric-charger in the parking lots of my apartment complex. Some things need attention if the market for said vehicles is going to grow.

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I do hope the government(s) didn't contribute any upfront dollars, and put a hold on any contributions.

They are stupidly expensive to install.

I manage Condos for a living and the infrastructure to install EV chargers is cost prohibitive.

It's $50000-ish to install the panel along with the associated breakers. Then you have the wiring, the chargers themselves.

What most Condos do is wait until there are several people who want them. They then divide the installation costs among those people.

A Condo I used to manage was charging almost $8000 a person for a slot on the panel and they had to install their own charger at their cost.

This is one reason why electric vehicles are not so prevalent.

They are a great idea but until the cost to install chargers and infrastructure comes down it won't work.

 

[evandyk]

Our building (about 8 years old) did this recently and the cost they asked for was about $5K ($2K for a share of the central cost, $2K to run it to your parking spot, and $1K for equipment etc.).

 

[DSC]

Our building (about 8 years old) did this recently and the cost they asked for was about $5K ($2K for a share of the central cost, $2K to run it to your parking spot, and $1K for equipment etc.).

Our condo corp managed it for just under $4000 per Unit in 2022 for wiring, legal and a charger. (39 of our 51 Units bought in, though most have only had the wiring installed and do not yet have a charger.)

 

[afransen]

They are stupidly expensive to install.

I manage Condos for a living and the infrastructure to install EV chargers is cost prohibitive.

It's $50000-ish to install the panel along with the associated breakers. Then you have the wiring, the chargers themselves.

What most Condos do is wait until there are several people who want them. They then divide the installation costs among those people.

A Condo I used to manage was charging almost $8000 a person for a slot on the panel and they had to install their own charger at their cost.

This is one reason why electric vehicles are not so prevalent.

They are a great idea but until the cost to install chargers and infrastructure comes down it won't work.

There are more elegant and cost effective solutions. I think Tesla is head and shoulders ahead in making cost effective charging solutions. Their rapid chargers can be delivered for sometimes 5-10x cheaper per stall than competitors. In recent US government charging station bids, the only reason that Tesla didn't sew up all the stations is because the station count is capped by company (welfare for inefficient high cost charging station operators).

The new NACS standard is designed to be more cost effectively deployed on 400v commercial electrical supply without the need for transformers to step down.

 

[DSC]

They are stupidly expensive to install.

I manage Condos for a living and the infrastructure to install EV chargers is cost prohibitive.

It's $50000-ish to install the panel along with the associated breakers. Then you have the wiring, the chargers themselves.

What most Condos do is wait until there are several people who want them. They then divide the installation costs among those people.

A Condo I used to manage was charging almost $8000 a person for a slot on the panel and they had to install their own charger at their cost.

This is one reason why electric vehicles are not so prevalent.

They are a great idea but until the cost to install chargers and infrastructure comes down it won't work.

As a condo manager, I assume you know that if an owner requests an EVC the Corporation HAS to allow one to be installed. See: https://www.condoauthorityontario.ca/resource/electric-vehicle-charging-systems/ Good Boards will use the first request to see if other Owners want one too and will try to set things up so all Units can have one (eventually) though in some buildings there is not enough hydro coming into the building to accommodate more than x%. We managed to get a very favourable bulk-purchase arrangement for the wiring costs and the legal work necessary and our building was lucky that our hydro usage has fallen quite dramatically over the last 40 years and we had/have enough power coming into the building to accommodate one charger for each Unit. Of course, buildings differ in whether all Units have assigned parking, if parking is separately owned and if parking is actually not part of the Corporation at all.

 

[Richard White]

As a condo manager, I assume you know that if an owner requests an EVC the Corporation HAS to allow one to be installed. See: https://www.condoauthorityontario.ca/resource/electric-vehicle-charging-systems/ Good Boards will use the first request to see if other Owners want one too and will try to set things up so all Units can have one (eventually) though in some buildings there is not enough hydro coming into the building to accommodate more than x%. We managed to get a very favourable bulk-purchase arrangement for the wiring costs and the legal work necessary and our building was lucky that our hydro usage has fallen quite dramatically over the last 40 years and we had/have enough power coming into the building to accommodate one charger for each Unit. Of course, buildings differ in whether all Units have assigned parking, if parking is separately owned and if parking is actually not part of the Corporation at all.

EV Chargers are a hot topic in my industry right now. Every Condo Lawyer out there is rendering an opinion on the matter.

Simply put, the cost to retrofit older buildings is prohibitive for one unit so some condos are taking the approach of undue hardship on the Corporation. This is where the critical mass comes into play.

While Condos have to accommodate those who request the chargers, there is an ongoing debate about how much of the cost is borne by Condos and by Owners.

In alot of cases where it is one or two owners, I have seen Condos tell them to wait until there are more people who wish to install them for cost sharing purposes.

Where they are insisting, Boards usually tell those owners that they would need to pay for the cost of the electrical upgrades and installation costs associated with their charger.

There is no one right answer at the moment as the Condo Act never took EV chargers into account and older buildings were not built with them in mind.

I have yet to see one definitive answer or piece of advice regarding EV Chargers. Nobody really knows how to work them into their buildings at the moment.

 

[evandyk]

Our condo corp managed it for just under $4000 per Unit in 2022 for wiring, legal and a charger. (39 of our 51 Units bought in, though most have only had the wiring installed and do not yet have a charger.)

Our numbers were just estimates because they didn't know how many people would sign up and were just canvassing interest. I didn't get the final numbers because I didn't sign up. But I imagine they weren't expecting anything like 80% of the building to sign up and share the cost. Probably more like 20%.

 

[DSC]

Our numbers were just estimates because they didn't know how many people would sign up and were just canvassing interest. I didn't get the final numbers because I didn't sign up. But I imagine they weren't expecting anything like 80% of the building to sign up and share the cost. Probably more like 20%.

We were VERY surprised here and kept upping the number of spaces to be wired up in the tender call and kept lowering the price to owners as the unit cost decreased.

 

[christiesplits]

Doug Ford says the next provincial election will not use the recently redrawn federal riding boundaries. He also accuses the non-partisan federal commission of "jerry-rigging" the electoral map.

Via Twitter.