roger1818
Senior Member
But the Toronto Government is only really paying for the projects within the GTHA. All cities outside of the GTHA are invisible to them
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But the Toronto Government is only really paying for the projects within the GTHA. All cities outside of the GTHA are invisible to them
roger1818
Senior Member
The only transportation project Prime Minister Ford would build is a tunnel under the 401, but using federal taxpayer money instead of provincial.
afransen
Senior Member
I'm not opposed to 200 kph. I just want to be honest about it. We might be waiting another half century for HSR, and whether we made minor upgrades for 200 kph service won't be much of an enabler, other than perhaps building ridership.
Adjei
Senior Member
What you expect them to do ? Most of the population is in the GTHA.
Urban Sky
Senior Member
It would be an an enabler, just like the O-Train (as underengineered on a shoestring budget as it was) was the spark which brought the return of rail transit to Ottawa. We would still be desperately trying to make the case for the Confederation Line had it not happened rather than celebrating the opening of Phase 3 of the O-Train network this month.
Rail networks develop by building incremental projects on which later projects can build on and that‘s also why Montreal‘s REM (which threw a stick of dynamite into all existing plannings and known priorities) is so offensive…
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ARG1
Senior Member
I have reason to believe why this isn't true, but even if I indulge this line of thinking for a sec - I don't think holistically speaking that the government's hyperfixation on the gtha is that unfounded? Outside of maybe Ottawa (where to be fair, the province really should've helped pony up for the system a bit more), the GTHA is definitely the part of Ontario that has the largest infrastructure defecit. When compared the region's lack of anything a decade and a half ago, a few daily intercity trains and a reasonably strong bus network for a city like London is frankly reasonable, and the province overall had far more important things to deal with than stepping on VIA's toes at the time.
I do feel confident though in saying that in the next several years we should be seeing the provincial government start branching out and focusing more on developing transit for areas outside the gtha.
roger1818
Senior Member
Use the same rules when deciding how much funding a project gets regardless of where it is and not try to buy votes in the most populous city.
micheal_can
Senior Member
Exactly my point. Nowhere in Canada has built HSR, so to assume one will be better than the other is crazy. However, if the first one crosses provincial borders, it should be a federal project. I suspect by the summer we should know the real future of HSR, HFR, HxR and Via as a whole.
ARG1
Senior Member
Can we work off of actual track records instead of our own personal projections of what we want [Insert Politician here] to be? As of right now, Ford has spent at least 4x as much money on transit projects compared to highway projects, even if you factor the 413 and Bradford Bypass into account. If the 401 tunnel isn't some pre-election ploy and it somehow does happen, it would at best close that gap. Simply put, there is no way that an unbiased observer can reach your conclusion.
roger1818
Senior Member
If we can also talk about his track record for HSR. Transit projects within the GTHA actually prove my point about him being myopic.
ARG1
Senior Member
His track record of... cancelling a vapourware HSR project that had no funding behind it in favour of significantly more important projects? Like you're not actually out here claiming that Toronto-London HSR was more important and higher priority than say GO Expansion... right?
Urban Sky
Senior Member
Claiming that Ford is anti-rail is rather wild considering that one of the main reasons which would inevitably derail the budget and timeframe of HxR is the fact that Ontario monopolizes a massive chunk of the specialized industry capabilities (for building large-scale rail infrastructure projects) not just nationwide but across the entire North America (while attracting many European and Asian experts and companies). Mention anyone in the industry that you are from Toronto and they will tell you how your province drives the entire industry…
goodcitywhenfinished
Active Member
So basically this project now depends on whether we have an election in May or October.
guavadelic
Active Member
I could see PP being pragmatic and using the promise of HxR to win concessions from Quebec for such things like gas pipelines.
Mihairokov
Active Member
We don't need to assume the Conservatives are already the next government. We collectively have the ability to vote to ensure that doesn't happen.