reinventingthewheel
Active Member
The city must recognize the standard excuses (dwindling business, service access, etc) no longer apply and are aptly admitting defeat here.
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Northern Light
Superstar
They certainly should recognize that, however, they are not.
So the Hamster wheel shall churn further, unless TEYCC and Council direct otherwise.
J Bacon
New Member
I'm not in agreement with that, what problem is being fixed here? Are we saying that the area is dying and it needs to be pedestrianized to "save it"?
Being a pedestrian zone is not what made the area unique in the first place.
adys123
Active Member
I think the common theme here is that this area is heavily trafficked by pedestrians and should be designed in a way that makes it conducive for the existing pedestrians as well as future pedestrians to come.
Northern Light
Superstar
You're not in agreement with what?
Everything I said was factual, there is no room to disagree with it. You can dislike pedestrian zones, but you can't disagree that this already is one 8 months of the year, and there is no obvious and compelling reason it cannot function as such the other 4 months. That isn't really disputable.
In any event, should you wish to dispute it, you ought to bring forth evidence in support of that.
By extending the current condition to 12 months per year?
There is no problem to fix, as such, what there is, is a problem to avoid.
There is a cost to un-doing the space as pedestrian space each winter, then reinstating it again only 4 months later.
Its a needless expense for no obvious again.
Further, retaining the option to re-open it to vehicles precludes any permanent changes in the right-of-way that may make the space even better, be that a stage, or fountain, or benches etc.
No, it IS pedestrianized right now. What is being said is that this should not be un-done for 4 months per year for no obvious gain.
The restaurant row, and the lower level of market have seen an increase in business with pedestrianization. The street is vastly more attractive in its current form and layout than it was previously, and much more enjoyable for locals and tourists alike.
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At this juncture, I will remind everyone that the poster to whom I am replying is only visible here every few months, stays a few weeks to argue in only one or two threads, with contrarian view points that are typically anti-cycle and anti-pedestrian.
Remind you of anyone?
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Admiral Beez
Superstar
NYC just made jaywalking legal.
www.nytimes.com
Paywall free: https://archive.is/e5LgM
Jaywalking Is a New York Tradition. Now It’s Legal, Too.
New Yorkers can cross the street wherever they please without fear of a summons. Some fear the new law could lead to more pedestrian deaths.
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evandyk
Senior Member
Generally, you can cross the street in Ontario wherever you please as well. The only rules are that you have to yield to traffic, and that if you're crossing at a light (or marked pedestrian crossing), you have to follow the signals and stay in the crosswalk area. The TPS says that the intersection/crosswalk rules apply to the area within 30 metres of an intersection/crosswalk.
Edit to add: I couldn't read the Times article, but found another article about it, and I guess their reform goes further by allowing you to cross at an intersection against the lights where safe to do so.
Edit to add: I couldn't read the Times article, but found another article about it, and I guess their reform goes further by allowing you to cross at an intersection against the lights where safe to do so.
nfitz
Superstar
More pedestrian deaths?NYC just made jaywalking legal.
Jaywalking Is a New York Tradition. Now It’s Legal, Too.
New Yorkers can cross the street wherever they please without fear of a summons. Some fear the new law could lead to more pedestrian deaths.
No one has ever been killed by a vehicle crossing the street mid-block when there are no vehicles. People have been killed at intersections obeying the signals, when a car hasn't obeyed the signals.
It will be an interesting experiment to compare the before and after deaths. There's a couple of spots involving intersections of major and minor streets in this city where I make sure I cross mid-block, because the geometry at the intersection is odd, and it's easy to see how a car might miss the pedestrian.
evandyk
Senior Member
No surprise, when they looked at it they found that 90% of the people who got jaywalking tickets were not white, since the police were using it as an excuse to card people rather than an exercise in promoting safety.
GatorEG
New Member
Vaughan has started rolling out its own automated speed enforcement program. Cameras going live in early 2025.
www.vaughan.ca
www.vaughan.ca
Taking steps to reduce speeding | City of Vaughan
Road safety continues to be a leading priority for the City of Vaughan – and we’re taking many steps to reduce speeding in our community. The latest launched today – Automated Speed Enforcement (ASE)!
www.vaughan.ca
Automated Speed Enforcement | City of Vaughan
www.vaughan.ca
gabe
Senior Member
It's about time for this! These idiots have no respect for anyone. i almost got run over by a delivery driver on his e bike as I was exiting a streetcar last week. He passed stopped cars and blew past the flashing red lights, nearly hitting people.
I have seen them zooming down the sidewalks, running red lights, and even zooming around the inside of Union Station as well! Someone will get killed or seriously injured.
“A lot of them are aligned with the food industry and there’s been a lack of education,” TPS Acting Supt. Matt Moyer tells CityNews. “As a result of that, it’s been very unclear as to what the standard and what the guidelines are for safe operation of these vehicles.”
toronto.citynews.ca
The rider says he’s had his helmet stolen three times and was recently ticketed by police and fined $110.00 for riding without one.
LOL take your helmet with you like us cyclist do!
I have seen them zooming down the sidewalks, running red lights, and even zooming around the inside of Union Station as well! Someone will get killed or seriously injured.
“A lot of them are aligned with the food industry and there’s been a lack of education,” TPS Acting Supt. Matt Moyer tells CityNews. “As a result of that, it’s been very unclear as to what the standard and what the guidelines are for safe operation of these vehicles.”
Toronto police cracking down on unsafe e-bike operators
The Toronto Police Service says it is cracking down on unsafe operators of e-bikes, e-scooters and other small electric vehicles.
toronto.citynews.ca
The rider says he’s had his helmet stolen three times and was recently ticketed by police and fined $110.00 for riding without one.
LOL take your helmet with you like us cyclist do!
christiesplits
Senior Member
This is the third pedestrian collision in the GTHA involving school buses since June:
www.thestar.com
Two other incidents:
toronto.citynews.ca
www.thespec.com
Woman dies after hit-and-run involving school bus in Richmond Hill
York Regional Police responded to reports of a pedestrian struck near Yonge Street and Silverwood Avenue in Richmond Hill, Ont. just before 3 p.m. on Tuesday.
www.thestar.com
Two other incidents:
Vaughan woman charged after boy, 6, fatally struck by bus in June
Officers said the boy was hit by a school bus and suffered life-threatening injuries. The child was later pronounced dead.
toronto.citynews.ca
‘A long battle ahead’: 11-year-old girl struck by car while waiting for school bus remains in hospital
Family of victim starts GoFundMe to help support ongoing care
www.thespec.com
txlseries4
New Member
This one too from last month https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/woman-dead-in-hospital-struck-by-school-bus-1.7352010This is the third pedestrian collision in the GTHA involving school buses since June:
Woman dies after hit-and-run involving school bus in Richmond Hill
York Regional Police responded to reports of a pedestrian struck near Yonge Street and Silverwood Avenue in Richmond Hill, Ont. just before 3 p.m. on Tuesday.
Two other incidents:
Vaughan woman charged after boy, 6, fatally struck by bus in June
Officers said the boy was hit by a school bus and suffered life-threatening injuries. The child was later pronounced dead.
‘A long battle ahead’: 11-year-old girl struck by car while waiting for school bus remains in hospital
Family of victim starts GoFundMe to help support ongoing care
Coolibop
Active Member
That last one was a customer shuttle from a dealership and not a school bus. The student was waiting for the bus when a man in his 60s had a medical episode and hit her.This is the third pedestrian collision in the GTHA involving school buses since June:
Woman dies after hit-and-run involving school bus in Richmond Hill
York Regional Police responded to reports of a pedestrian struck near Yonge Street and Silverwood Avenue in Richmond Hill, Ont. just before 3 p.m. on Tuesday.
Two other incidents:
Vaughan woman charged after boy, 6, fatally struck by bus in June
Officers said the boy was hit by a school bus and suffered life-threatening injuries. The child was later pronounced dead.
‘A long battle ahead’: 11-year-old girl struck by car while waiting for school bus remains in hospital
Family of victim starts GoFundMe to help support ongoing care
T3G
Senior Member
Funny, I almost never see cyclists wearing helmets.It's about time for this! These idiots have no respect for anyone. i almost got run over by a delivery driver on his e bike as I was exiting a streetcar last week. He passed stopped cars and blew past the flashing red lights, nearly hitting people.
I have seen them zooming down the sidewalks, running red lights, and even zooming around the inside of Union Station as well! Someone will get killed or seriously injured.
“A lot of them are aligned with the food industry and there’s been a lack of education,” TPS Acting Supt. Matt Moyer tells CityNews. “As a result of that, it’s been very unclear as to what the standard and what the guidelines are for safe operation of these vehicles.”
Toronto police cracking down on unsafe e-bike operators
The Toronto Police Service says it is cracking down on unsafe operators of e-bikes, e-scooters and other small electric vehicles.
The rider says he’s had his helmet stolen three times and was recently ticketed by police and fined $110.00 for riding without one.
LOL take your helmet with you like us cyclist do!
Hope these pigs are as consistent in their application of helmet rules to cyclists, who are driving a more dangerous vehicle to themselves than a scooter.