how about we just stick to the topic of road safety
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lenaitch
Senior Member
Although there is this opposing view from way back in 2016.
Truck side guards may not be safer for cyclists
Although they’re mandatory in Europe, many in the industry say there’s no proof truck side guards will save lives
www.thestar.com
They have been mandated in the UK since the 1980s. I would have thought the committee could have come up with some actual empirical 'before-and-after' data. Since any vehicle standards change would have to apply nation-wide, there would obviously be significant industry pushback due to the costs involved, particularly if it involved retrofitting. With the impending US administration, any though of finding common regulatory standards seems beyond hope.
nfitz
Superstar
Yes - but on the other hand, to improve road safety those that would prioritize convenience over an increased death toll, may need a deeper understanding of the issues and consequences.
J Bacon
New Member
Except I'm responding to the fact that I was called "contrarian" implying that there is a certain point of view here that is "acceptable".
That kind of labeling does not promote an exchange of opinion.
Fair, of course it's not canceling.
However like the above, labeling your fellow citizen as "predictable" and "uninformed" just because they don't have the same opinion as you? Fairly ridiculous.
Northern Light
Superstar
Except that's not what Contrarian means.
From the Oxford English Dictionary:
The word does not imply acceptability or a lack thereof. It suggests a disposition to oppose irrespective of evidence or reason, simply because you enjoy the argument.
Few here will suggest I don't enjoy a good debate; and I am notorious for engaging with others who have views not widely endorsed here.
I simply ask that said people make their arguments in good faith, and with supporting evidence.
Where I see neither, I presume to find the contribution unworthy of ongoing engagement.
J Bacon
New Member
Since it's been demonstrated over and over, should I provide the definition of condescending?
A reminder this was the context, "contrarian" followed by two illogical statements.
Anti-cycle because they don't like the bike lanes as currently implemented?
Anti-pedestrian because they don't like one proposed implementation of a permanent pedestrian zone?
With that kind of judgement, any claims of an open forum board where debate is welcomed are clearly false.
No idea what this secret message means, other than secretly judging people on their opinions I suppose?
Northern Light
Superstar
I have you on ignore, please feel free to do likewise.
There is no value in further exchange with you.
txlseries4
New Member
I don't think this has been posted yet...
From https://www.toronto.ca/community-pe...rastructure-projects/kensington-safe-streets/
December 16, 2024 Update:
In the last phase of public consultation in Spring 2023, the team presented a design that included many features for pedestrian priority and business deliveries. Following that phase of consultation, the design was modified based on community feedback and technical analysis. Many of the features that had been presented were maintained, but with some changes such as the use of asphalt paving in the roadways instead of pavers and maintaining curbs (i.e. no curbless street segments).
During the detailed design phase that followed, new stormwater hydraulic analysis determined that the planned road design changes could worsen current stormwater draining issues in the project area, potentially leading to more basement and overland flooding. To address this, City staff are working to update the design in a way that will balance pedestrian-friendly improvements to the design of sidewalks and roadways, while ensuring that flooding risks do not increase.
Project development will continue through 2024 and 2025, as the project team works to refine the design. With an anticipated downtown construction pause around the FIFA World Cup events in 2026, construction in Kensington Market is now anticipated to start in Spring 2027.
The City is also coordinating its efforts with Toronto Hydro, which is planning hydro pole relocation on Augusta Avenue to meet new provincial standards.
Starting in 2026, staff will form and work closely with a local stakeholder committee to plan a pedestrianization pilot project in the area, to be implemented following construction.
We will continue to share updates with the community as the detailed design process moves forward.
From https://www.toronto.ca/community-pe...rastructure-projects/kensington-safe-streets/
December 16, 2024 Update:
In the last phase of public consultation in Spring 2023, the team presented a design that included many features for pedestrian priority and business deliveries. Following that phase of consultation, the design was modified based on community feedback and technical analysis. Many of the features that had been presented were maintained, but with some changes such as the use of asphalt paving in the roadways instead of pavers and maintaining curbs (i.e. no curbless street segments).
During the detailed design phase that followed, new stormwater hydraulic analysis determined that the planned road design changes could worsen current stormwater draining issues in the project area, potentially leading to more basement and overland flooding. To address this, City staff are working to update the design in a way that will balance pedestrian-friendly improvements to the design of sidewalks and roadways, while ensuring that flooding risks do not increase.
Project development will continue through 2024 and 2025, as the project team works to refine the design. With an anticipated downtown construction pause around the FIFA World Cup events in 2026, construction in Kensington Market is now anticipated to start in Spring 2027.
The City is also coordinating its efforts with Toronto Hydro, which is planning hydro pole relocation on Augusta Avenue to meet new provincial standards.
Starting in 2026, staff will form and work closely with a local stakeholder committee to plan a pedestrianization pilot project in the area, to be implemented following construction.
We will continue to share updates with the community as the detailed design process moves forward.
Northern Light
Superstar
Sadly, I don't mind the delay here, as I disagreed with shifting the design to asphalt.
I would note that permeable paving would reduce flooding risks, and this can be achieved attractively with interlocking brick.
I do wonder if they may mill some of the pavement as an interim measure as its pretty rough.
Northern Light
Superstar
A modest change to the Cycle Tracks on Yonge with a Vision Zero focus:
